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labbats

Zulu who?
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New CP, New investers. Looking for any current info please, thanks.
 
Fella at our company came from Pacific Jet about 5 months ago. Said he left because is was only a matter of time before they either killed someone, or went bankrupt. Glad to see the latter seems to be occuring first. He had nothing good to say - and he left their for less pay and less time off, from what I understood.

AZT
 
I thought Tim Piero owns Pacific Jet, and shawn is their marketing guy also wasn't the chief pilot a female where did she go ???
 
"Not me, buddy. Last time I said anything about this company I got banned!

Sometimes the world just works things out..."

Not me either... but I'll speak my voice...

They are declaring bancruptcy... best time to do it anyways before the October deadline for all bancruptcies.. The stupid thing about this whole thing is.... Tim Prero started another company called JetFirst, Inc. Will he do a better job or will he run it to the ground like he did Pacific Jet? THAT is the question...

and as for the bi_tch that ran their Marketing dept... Carrie, spelled "c" like k_nt, all I can say is.. "What comes around, goes around.... "
 
$50,000 deposit will allow you to get a bid package. Then you can go for there. I know of 2 companies currently getting bid packages.

Seems to me that Pacific Jet is a touchy subject in here. Whats the deal with that are the moderators personally linked to this company ??
 
All I know is that I ran into a PJ crew at Milan Linate. The Capt. seemed like a good guy and the FA was smokin' hot. They were on a GIII.

He was happy as a pig in slop over making captain--pay bump up to $85k :eek: . Try living on that in VNY.

For his $85k he got the privilige of working 28 days a month...TC
 
Basically the 50'000 bucks is to weed out the ones that aren't really serious. The package will include all that is avaliable (ie:aircraft.client lists,office furniture etc.) for purchase and under what conditions or stipulations.



pa56pa said:
bid packages? explain...
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50,000 bid pkgs

correct me if I'm wrong... but is one of the companies, JetFirst??? I can see them purchasing their own assets from a company run under someone else's name...
 
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.:rolleyes:

I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?

AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
 
Pa56pa,


Yes. It's very common in bankruptcy, liquidation proceedings.

There are two basic types of bankruptcy. First is "reorganization" which is where United Airlines is. In reorganization, the debtor presents a plan to reorganize the company's operations, assets and business plan and return to profitability. During reorganization the court appointed trustee determines how much the debtor can repay to his creditors.

Second is "Liquidation". In liquidation the court liquidates the debtor's assets and then distributes the proceeds to the creditors. Everyting, every asset the debtor holds (rules are different for personal bankruptcy vs corporate) are sold through the court. Anyone, including the debtor, can bid on and purchase the assets of the debtor. Although when the debtor purchases an asset owned by the debtor it is usually done blind through another entity.

No suprise in Pacific Jet's case, however.

TransMach
 
TP needs to be flushed.
 
kilroy said:
Basically the 50'000 bucks is to weed out the ones that aren't really serious. The package will include all that is avaliable (ie:aircraft.client lists,office furniture etc.) for purchase and under what conditions or stipulations.
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You really think there are any clients left?

Even if there were, with that 30 days revocation clause, it's a joke.
 
HMR said:
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.:rolleyes:

I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?

AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
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Yes.. used to be JetWest @ VNY... then TP bought it to start Pac Jet.... now, it's a so-called new company @ VNY ran by TP called "JETFIRST"
 
HMR said:
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted and all of you put in the penalty box.:rolleyes:

I imagine the owners will just set up shop under a new name and start all over again. I'm trying to remember... were the PJ owners the same guys who ran JetWest @ KVNY?

AA717driver- I know two of those "smokin' hot" FA's. They both quit ASAP. They've got stories that'll make your hair stand up.
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I agree.
I ran into a crew in LIRQ in a RAT A$$ G3. Nice folks, but that seemed like the definition of a $hit charter job.
 
I'm wondering ... what are the expenses that run an aircraft mangement/charter company into bankruptcy? The mangement company doesn't own any airplanes, so there's no debt service there on secured paper. The management company can expand/contract it's staff to meet the flying demand. The management company makes a markup on outsourced maintenance, fuel, insurance and crew services it provides to it's airplane owners. It would have it's own business umbrella insurance, operating insurance, facility rent and staff employee overhead costs. I can see an aircraft management company continue to contract until it dissappears, but bankruptcy ... that means somebody's cheeting somebody by hiding behind the bankruptcy rules or they have cheeted the airplane owners by making promisses they can't keep or they have collected monies from the airplane owners and spent it without doing what they were suppose to do with it.

Just my slant on it. If you pay the airplane owners as you are suppose to, and charge them what you are suppose to, bankruptcy would seem a far fetched idea.

TransMach
 
Interesting post TransMach. I'm not an expert on business (that's why I sit in the front of the jet) but your argument makes sense.

A few other things to consider:

-PJ always seemed to be one of the busiest operators @ VNY.

-Their unwillingness to spend money on proper MX is well known.

-Pilots paid for their own training.

So... what exactly were the expenses that would lead to bankruptcy?

Also, remember the guys on here a few months back who were justifying paying for their training because PJ offered them a GIII job with 500TT? I wonder what the payments are on that training debt?:rolleyes:
 
English said:
You really think there are any clients left?

Even if there were, with that 30 days revocation clause, it's a joke.
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Just flew into KBED from LFPG. Heard a Pacific Jet Gulfstream coming over as well. Apparently they're still flying.
 
One thing that hurt thim is how the structured there management of the aircraft. I know of one G3 deal they managed. Basically they payed the owner $30000 a month to run it. This included all fixed cost . Then when the owner wants to use the aircraft it would cost them $2500 an hour for usage which includes all costs. And on top of that any one in the owners family could use the aircraft for $2500 an hour. If you gave PJ 5 days notice there would be no reposition fee. This particular G3 was in paint and interior for 3 months and PJ payed them while it was down.............

TransMach said:
I'm wondering ... what are the expenses that run an aircraft mangement/charter company into bankruptcy? The mangement company doesn't own any airplanes, so there's no debt service there on secured paper. The management company can expand/contract it's staff to meet the flying demand. The management company makes a markup on outsourced maintenance, fuel, insurance and crew services it provides to it's airplane owners. It would have it's own business umbrella insurance, operating insurance, facility rent and staff employee overhead costs. I can see an aircraft management company continue to contract until it dissappears, but bankruptcy ... that means somebody's cheeting somebody by hiding behind the bankruptcy rules or they have cheeted the airplane owners by making promisses they can't keep or they have collected monies from the airplane owners and spent it without doing what they were suppose to do with it.

Just my slant on it. If you pay the airplane owners as you are suppose to, and charge them what you are suppose to, bankruptcy would seem a far fetched idea.

TransMach
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It's stuff like this that makes me thank my lucky stars that I didn't have to take a job like PJ. A friend was in the IV at Clay Lacy and that was bad enough. (Not trashing CL, just 135 in general.)TC
 
kilroy said:
One thing that hurt thim is how the structured there management of the aircraft. I know of one G3 deal they managed. Basically they payed the owner $30000 a month to run it. This included all fixed cost . Then when the owner wants to use the aircraft it would cost them $2500 an hour for usage which includes all costs. And on top of that any one in the owners family could use the aircraft for $2500 an hour. If you gave PJ 5 days notice there would be no reposition fee. This particular G3 was in paint and interior for 3 months and PJ payed them while it was down.............
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so basically, what your saying is.... it was poorly managed. I agree, and disagree. TP is an experienced aviator and a shrewd businessman who knows both legally and illegally what he can get away with in this business. He has pushed more buttons @ VNY including unfortunately aircraft owners who were misled and conned into thinking their airplanes were NOT making money, while in reality, PJ WAS making tons of $$.
 
dingo222 said:
85K in Van Nuys wont buy you the ad on the back of a bus bench, lol.
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I won't say housing is expensive in Van Nuys, but yesterday the local paper ran a quote:

"I just got a refrigerator delivered to my house. A homeless man offered me $3 million for it." ~Daily News
 
Pj

PA56pa,

Never mind. I just figured out you weren't addressing my post. Sorry ...

TransMach
 
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I have to agree it was not the best place but I have been at many worst places. I did not pay for my training either.
 

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