Ornstein letter to UA VP of Operations- Mesa guys seen this?

[CFIse]

Mesa entered this contract agreeing to meet the United targets under the United stipulations. The fact that Mesa was too dumb to realize that it wasn't do-able is the fault of Mesa, not United.

Absolutely - but nobody except a select few has seen any analysis that shows the UAL contract is not profitable - the company did an internal analysis that allowed them to write off a large payment. You've got to remember that there are a HUGE number of advantages to writing off that payment in one broad stroke.

I don't know if it's profitable or not, but I've got my opinions.

United has every legal right to tell Mesa to eat it. And United has already pocketed 30 million dollars that was supposed to be given back to Mesa because of (as I understand it) poor performance. . . . so I'd say United knwo what it was doing.

Unless you're talking about a different $30M the $30M pay to play was never coming back to Mesa. It's just that Mesa couldn't just write the payment off when it was made because Mesa doesn't use cash accounting. So they were amortizing the payment over the life of the contract. Once they could "show" there was no profit on the UAL contract to amortize against, THEN they get to write it off in total in one quarter.

But yeh - UAL signed up for a low cost carrier, that's what they got. The fact that UAL isn't paying enough, allegedly, to even cover the low costs isn't UALs problem unless Mesa can make it their problem - and if they can good for them.

I'll bet this - next quarter Mesa will magically report that good news they've been able to make significant progress with UAL and now the contract is expected to be profitable. Stock price pop and we're all happy and for the rest of the contract they don't have the $30M hanging over the balance sheet! Call me cynical.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

PBR- kiss my you know what! 8 months-try 8 yrs jackass! It's a shame because you usually make sense. I wasn't aware the UAL rampers were in negotiations. It isn't about doing someone elses job- it's about offering a guy a hand. People are standing on the ramp at gate F11, jets running all around, one of the pax asking me what the problem was. As much as I favor a union, I will NEVER understand why people have to be that way.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I have been wondering about this the last 6 months.

Many pilots are saying the hiring crunch doesn't affect the majors.

BUT, what happens when the number of CX feed flights go up and up? At some point, they majors will be losing enough passengers at their hubs that were supposed to fly on the majors' aircraft, that the bottom line will be negatively affected.

Our hiring guy said one thing the regionals can do is partner up with their major to get their guys a major seniority number-it wouldn't cost anything.

Other than that, I think the majors will have to pay the regionals more, or pay some/all of an ab-initio program for their regional partners.

What do ya'll think?

Mesa Easily Replaced in ORD???
NO!!!

Now, you could contract with a regional to take over the Mesa flying, but to do that they would have to shut down a hub somewhere else and move that whole hub operation to ORD. To do this, UAL would have to pay the regional more that the major they were flying for, AND they would have to pay the penalties to pull that hub operation out.

NO REGIONAL can just add more planes and pilots and take over an operation like Mesa's in ORD. There aren't enough extra pilots laying around.

I talked to a guy who was at an Air Inc. hiring conference a while back. He said there were about 1000 pilots there. This last one in ATL there were 120-140 pilots. Mesa got 7 resumes from the whole weekend.

The pilot hiring situation has deteriorate significantly in the last 3 months!!!

cliff
ELP

 

[kboy]

CFIse should be CFI no (no engine).

Put down the joint and the tube of glue, just face the fact that MESA SUCKS.

The only people who get more than 10 days off (bidlines) are the top 10%. Junior assign people to Denver (UAL) cause people are leaving for Lynx. You fly 30 hrs. in a week then crewtracking calls for 20 hrs.of 91 flying to repo a plane to get Gen. taos chicken or to make banboo chopsticks for JO express.

remember the koolaid comes in more flavors than sum-young-guy, ASSSS-WIPE

 

[Avi8tor2000]

PBR- kiss my you know what! 8 months-try 8 yrs jackass! It's a shame because you usually make sense. I wasn't aware the UAL rampers were in negotiations. It isn't about doing someone elses job- it's about offering a guy a hand. People are standing on the ramp at gate F11, jets running all around, one of the pax asking me what the problem was. As much as I favor a union, I will NEVER understand why people have to be that way.

Think of it this way: your unions decide you should have a slowdown to prove a point to the company, say that you're understaffed and should hire more pilots for example. The company notices their on-time performance needs a major lift and decides that on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays they will hire non-union pilots to fly those days to "help out". Would this tick you off? Of course. Would it (more importantly) undermine your efforts? Yes!!

As much as it sucks, your duty to those pax ends when the parking brake is and they are safely off the airplane. If you want to help with their connections, fly faster, get the paperwork done quicker, whatever, but don't do someone else's job.

PS- There are thousands of pilots on the ALPA master scab list not because their pilot group went on strike but because they crossed the picket lines of mechanics, baggage handlers, etc...

 

[Poahi]

Mesa's management philosophy is measure naught, apologize later. If you have any doubt, ask the judges in the Hawaiian and Aloha suits.

If Mesa leadership could think ahead as well as they could spin, Mesa would dominate the airline industry.

 

[federico]

Chinese contracts pay far more than any other contract in the US. The pay for the pilot will be much greater, cost of living lower but you have to be there.

 

[Soverytired]

If that's what he said it's not what he meant, because it's not true.

100% all reserve lines, all systems,min guarantee 8 days off.
(you may be on reserve up to 3 years) If you're a pilot (I doubt it), you must be new to think this is normal . . .this garbage didn't start until 2 years ago.

89% PHX "hard" lines, min guarantee 10 days off.

In all systems, if you do get >10 days off, you are now a prime target for a junior assignment . . . because they can't reduce anyone else below the contractual minimums . . . so no matter what you're awarded, you'll only get 10.

Contractual guarantees are being met. And not one day more. So stop complaining, right? And yet Mesa can complain about the contract they signed with UA and beg like a baby in public for relief?

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

 

[islandhopper]

Contractual guarantees are being met. And not one day more. So stop complaining, right? And yet Mesa can complain about the contract they signed with UA and beg like a baby in public for relief?

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

Embrace your destiny! Be a part of history in the making. R-E-S-I-G-N

 

[mdanno808]

If that's what he said it's not what he meant, because it's not true.

How in the hell do you know what he means to say, unless.......