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I've heard from a few people now that asa scheduling is 'hiding' open time so they can give it to reserves and line holders can't pick it up. Would this be legal under the contract or is this just a good rumor?
 

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Wouldn't surprise me for a second. With the BS those oxygen thiefs pull, all things are possible.

On a side note, I know a lot of people picking up extra flying from the open time pot. WTF people. Is it suddenly ok to pick up extra flying with furloughs now? Did I miss the memo?
 
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Wouldn't surprise me for a second. With the BS those oxygen thiefs pull, all things are possible.

On a side note, I know a lot of people picking up extra flying from the open time pot. WTF people. Is it suddenly ok to pick up extra flying with furloughs now? Did I miss the memo?
actually you did (well, the thread at least)....depending on your view of the issue (do you believe not picking up open time would bring them back or not), its either ok (or not) to pick up open time while they are out on furlough. Of course nobody could agree and nothing was resolved...imagine that.

Thats assuming you care what the "other side" thinks about it.
 

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I've heard from a few people now that asa scheduling is 'hiding' open time so they can give it to reserves and line holders can't pick it up. Would this be legal under the contract or is this just a good rumor?
Yeah cause there's just soooooo many reserves sitting around doing nothing. :erm:
 

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actually you did (well, the thread at least)....depending on your view of the issue (do you believe not picking up open time would bring them back or not), its either ok (or not) to pick up open time while they are out on furlough. Of course nobody could agree and nothing was resolved...imagine that.

Thats assuming you care what the "other side" thinks about it.


I guess I didn't read the rest of that thread that I think you're referring to.

I don't agree with hastling people about picking it up, because we all have our reasons, and there really are bigger fish to fry. BUT when I see people who are picking open time due to financial irresponsibility post furlough (you know who you are) that is really frustrating.
 

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I guess I didn't read the rest of that thread that I think you're referring to.

I don't agree with hastling people about picking it up, because we all have our reasons, and there really are bigger fish to fry. BUT when I see people who are picking open time due to financial irresponsibility post furlough (you know who you are) that is really frustrating.
politicians are picking up open time?!?!?! WTF?
 

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Sadly, neither McNug or the furloughed guys or ALPA writes my check to keep my family clothed, fed and housed. Therefore, I will continue to pick up open time.

It is my understanding the number of block hours dictate when the furloughed guys get called back since there are min staffing requirements. That will be the only thing that changes how many pilots are on property.
 

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dude, i'm on reserve-that's why we are soooo busy
 

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I've heard from a few people now that asa scheduling is 'hiding' open time so they can give it to reserves and line holders can't pick it up. Would this be legal under the contract or is this just a good rumor?
Sounds a lot like what screw support does at skywest.
 

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Sadly, neither McNug or the furloughed guys or ALPA writes my check to keep my family clothed, fed and housed. Therefore, I will continue to pick up open time.

It is my understanding the number of block hours dictate when the furloughed guys get called back since there are min staffing requirements. That will be the only thing that changes how many pilots are on property.
Which is exactly why I said "we all have our reasons" for picking up extra work. What I was refering to are the dweebs that spend themselves into a hole, then are forced to fly extra to make up the slack because they can't afford the life they are living.
 

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From 13.C:
2. Known Flying Withheld from Line Construction
a. All known flying for the following month will be con-
structed into trips and then into regular lines, except the
Company may withhold up to three and one-half percent
(3.5%) of block hours of known flying in each category.
Such known flying will be withheld as trips before the line
construction process. All remaining trips will be placed in
initial open time.
b. The Company will provide to the ASC the total scheduled
block hours of known flying in the following month and
the number of block hours withheld to verify the calcula-
tion of the three and one-half percent (3.5%) of block
hours of known flying withheld. The Company will provide
the ASC a list of the actual trips withheld.
 

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Then we need transparency from PD. to verify that this 3.5% is accurate.

Since he is the ASC.

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open time is a puddle

lets go play in the puddle

hopefully theres nothing unsanitary in the puddle
 

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I agree with medeco-they should share that with us.
 

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If captains weren't picking up open time then FOs could upgrade. There's no reason that lines need to be constructed as unproductively as they are. Some people need to pick up more flying to stay above water, for whatever reason. I can't fault the FO or Captain who's supporting a wife, kids, a mortgage, and the car payment, but if you don't need to pick it up, don't do it!
 

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nah; i never have much luck with him honestly
 

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nah; i never have much luck with him honestly
PD is a bit of a prick...one of the most rude and inconsiderate people I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Volunteer or not! He is only interested in helping himself out.
 

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nah; i never have much luck with him honestly
Well, he's not a mindreader... if you want something from him you're going to have to call him.

If you request something that he isn't delivering to you, then follow up with the MEC chairman or your rep. But I doubt that will be an issue.
 
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