Open letter to SkyWest Pilots

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave, you mean you weren't there for his Mardis Gras party?? I was.

I was going to say hi to you but you were already passed out underneath the gazebo.

LOL

 

[pookie]

I hate to tell you guys this but WTF-Over is a skywest employee that goes by the initials A.B. I took some his posts from the SAPA site and merged them with his posts here. His grammer is very similar. If you go to his posts, he uses WTFO quite often and that would be a good start. I dont want to piss him off but he is a stand up pilot with good intentions but i just feel that to camouflage oneself with another regional to make a point is kind of immature.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

I hate to tell you guys this but WTF-Over is a skywest employee that goes by the initials A.B. I took some his posts from the SAPA site and merged them with his posts here. His grammer is very similar. If you go to his posts, he uses WTFO quite often and that would be a good start. I dont want to piss him off but he is a stand up pilot with good intentions but i just feel that to camouflage oneself with another regional to make a point is kind of immature.

WTF-over is not A.B., I have read A.B.'s posts and that is not his style of posting. The grammar is not similar as you say, A.B. has come off a little more heavy handed on the SAPA forums, why would he be less on an anonymous message board? especially when it comes to decisons that the SkyWest pilots regretffuly made?

Plus I dont think A.B. wastes his time posting on these forums, especially in such an underhanded way...

 

[ERJFO]

But yet, skywest has some of the best schedules, trips, pay, and work rules out of all the regionals. They have hung onto their domiciles, and expanded while doing so. I think there is a bigger reason behind their being successful other than not having a union.

Obviously your not into research or the truth... Have fun when the perf. bidding comes around.

 

[WTF-Over]

It seems I've unvailed some discontent.

 

[Ben Dover]

It seems I've unvailed some discontent.

Or more likely you've unveiled the pin on your head...

 

[Shobra]

Stupid people

Quit whining! This environment is called every man for himself and may the best man win!!! Let us ask ourselves this. What union allowed all this to start happening? Thats right ALPO started this whole race my friend. The best way to send a message is for everyone to start trying to get ALPO decertified. In fact anyone who wants info holla at me. Isnt it funny the non union company makes more than most regionals do? What does that say about ALPO? I say its time to impeach every single one of those SOBs. Comair used to have the good contract and look what we were forced into. DECERTIFY ALPA NOW! ITS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF 2% of your check. With the amount of dues ive paid that have been wasted over the years I could have taken the lady out to even more nice dinners and we go out 3 nights a week. Instead of "holding the line" lets put ALPA on ice, they do no good anyway

You are the biggest idoit on this board. It is because of you (and people like you) that this industries work force is in the trouble. The sad and terrible thing is, that with your Myopic thoughts and views it renders you incapable of intellectual thought.

In other words... your the plague you dumb a$$.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Skywest is kicking azz and taking names. Plus decent pay

OMG!

SINCE WHEN IS FLYING 70-99 SEAT AIRCRAFT AT SUB PAR 50 SEAT RATES "DECENT PAY"?

YOU PEOPLE ALONG WITH MESA AND CHAWAWA ARE THE PROBLEM.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

exicited

It seems I've unvailed some discontent.

Damn skippy!!!!!! I am overly exicited about PBS (F-NO) Oh and I think I would enjoy flying a 70/90 seat aircraft for $55/hr (F-NO) Lets not forget no cost of living raise or any decent QOL issue that we supposedly could negoitiate since we are non union. (Thanks Sapa whores)

SkyWest is a good company. It still has room to improve.

Bottomline is the Cali domociles trolls need to stop licking managment nutz and get their ducks in a row after that pitiful worthless TA that has been forgotten in only a few months. 1.2% will buy about 4 extra tanks of gas for your lawnmower or your hoopty.


The Status of SKYWEST pilots being "over a barrel" will hopefully end this YEAR.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

OOOOH!!! All caps, he must be smart! The problem with this industry is low revenues. What or who is driving fares down? Figure that one out and you've got your finger on what's causing the hurt in this profession. But hey, airlines don't exist to provide you with your dream job, it's the customer stupid. Change is inevitable, you don't have to like it, but it's coming. It's already here.

 

[D'Angelo]

You are the biggest idoit on this board. It is because of you (and people like you) that this industries work force is in the trouble. The sad and terrible thing is, that with your Myopic thoughts and views it renders you incapable of intellectual thought.

In other words... your the plague you dumb a$$.

So im a Dumb A$$ because im actually doing the research on your rights under union leadership? Ummm yea you must be one of those forced unionism fellows. Your just mad because im showing people they don't have to just blindy follow their leaders into the shredder and they do have the right to impeach ALPA if the majority wishes.

 

[It'll Fly]

Great Post! This really brought out the general feeling of the SkyWest Pilots (who troll this forum). Looking back over it by far the concensus is that Skywest Pilots are not the general whining Union hawks who hate their jobs, hate their company and hate their peers who don't.

Some one posted earlier that SkyWest success comes from its management and the plan they laid out and followed thirty years ago. Thats it exactly, and whether you like it or not they will continue and the employees working there will continue to enjoy some semblence of Job security and overall good healthy work conditions.......

Thanks WTF-over for giving us the chance to show how off base you wantabes really are.

 

[CaptainMark]

So im a Dumb A$$ because im actually doing the research on your rights under union leadership? Ummm yea you must be one of those forced unionism fellows. Your just mad because im showing people they don't have to just blindy follow their leaders into the shredder and they do have the right to impeach ALPA if the majority wishes.

this guy is an ***************! he is a moron and he says the same crap on other threads...i don't even think he is a pilot...but he sure is a ******************************bag!

 

[WTF-Over]

What's SAPA got to say?

 

[CFIT]

If I were to guess, they would say you are a d!ck.

 

[avrodriver]

Atkin said even bigger aircraft may be in the works for its Delta Connection service. Delta is negotiating with its pilots for permission to hire regional airlines like SkyWest and ASA to fly jets with more than 70 passengers. If the pilots agree, SkyWest could acquire 90-seat aircraft.
SkyWest is moving to larger jets because there is a need for them in some of its markets. And the cost of flying larger aircraft is cheaper, Atkin said.

This is my point, now you will be flying 90 seaters for 50 seat pay. You have no ability to ask for anything higher plus your taken away your own job proggresion.

Good point. I would assume the majority of your growth is going to come from aircraft that seat more than 50 seats, yet the "temporary" 18 month agreement ( which experation has come and gone) limits you to 50 seat pay for both Captains and F/O's.

I'm not jumping on the "Skywest sucks" bandwagon...I just can't believe how many cheerleaders over there seem to turn a blind eye to major issues such as this...hey as long as the airplanes keep coming right???

 

[Rogue5]

Very good point.

Except for the fact that the "90 seat airframes" that have been mentioned are allegedly to be sent to ASA for their operations out of ATL.

Last I checked, ASA was ALPA.

 

[avrodriver]

Except for the fact that the "90 seat airframes" that have been mentioned are allegedly to be sent to ASA for their operations out of ATL.

Last I checked, ASA was ALPA.

Last I checked...you have a pretty decent fleet of 70 seaters...I think I even remember seeing a thread where you were getting more......yea!!!!!!!

Aren't these also covered under the agreement?


You can point the finger at ASA when:

1.) 90 seat airplanes appear on their property

and only then if:

2.) They decide to fly them at their 70 seat....oops I mean 50 seat rates.


Nevemind WTF's point....my point is that you have a 50 rate that as it stands today will be used for all future deliveries, which will be aircraft greater than 50 seats whether it be 90 or 70.

 

[CaptainMark]

http://www.nrtw.org/d/deauth_decert_rla.htm This link is for anyone who is interested in decertification of a union. That is how you get the ball rolling on getting rid of ALPA. Lets get this baby started! FREE CHOICE FOR EMPLOYEES not forced union BS. NOT ONE MORE CENT for ALPA

fedex went thru this...what happens when you taxi off a snow covered taxiway or some some passenger accuses u of drinking...without a union protecting u..u get fired...it may be a neccessary evil..but it is neccessary

 

[Hawker dude]

So im a Dumb A$$ because im actually doing the research on your rights under union leadership? Ummm yea you must be one of those forced unionism fellows. Your just mad because im showing people they don't have to just blindy follow their leaders into the shredder and they do have the right to impeach ALPA if the majority wishes.

YOU did the research and this is what you came up with? Look, ALPA has made some huge mistakes and the majors let their egos get too big. But....

Do you know why ALPA started? Do you know what they have accomplished over the years? even at a non union airlines your safety rules are because of ALPA. you know what else? back in the day pilots worked together and even called each other brother. your a dumb a%&. your attitude does ruin the whole industry.

ps. you're an idiot

 

[WTF-Over]

Reprisal

 

[Ben Dover]

Do you know why ALPA started? Do you know what they have accomplished over the years? even at a non union airlines your safety rules are because of ALPA. you know what else?

I have to say I'm getting very tired of this flawed logic. It makes no sense to stick with an organization because of what it used to be. Whether or not you believe in ALPA should be based on the future not the past. Do you want to work for Delta, United, USAir, TWA, Braniff, because they were once great companies? No, you should work for whomever has the brightest future. It's like the guy who says, "I can't sell my XYZ stock for $10 because I paid $15 when I bought it." Hello, it's a sunk cost! All that matters is the future, not the past. Any other logic is flawed.

 

[txpilot1974]

WTF-Over---WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.....I wish I worked at SKYWEST......WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[PC12Cowboy]

LOGIC???????
Hmm I didnt think that was a word or concept in flying
<<<<<LMFAO

 

[WTF-Over]

I told you so!! No CAL flying for you!! XJ is next to tell you NO!!

 

[myrows]

Dude, after that reaction I'd expect you'd need to clean your shorts. Or did you already have the sock standing by just in case?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Just wait till you guys make the majors for the first time and start getting paid a decent wage, and your life starts looking up. Then BoOm your ass is out on the street from some regional. I hope you feel happy that someone gets to fly a jet while you're picking out a good freeway overpass to set up your cardbox house. Flame away!

 

[FlyBunny]

But yet, skywest has some of the best schedules, trips, pay, and work rules out of all the regionals. They have hung onto their domiciles, and expanded while doing so. I think there is a bigger reason behind their being successful other than not having a union.

I have several friends there, and they LOVE it. Apparently, this guy (writer of the letter) sees the writing on the wall there, but I don't. They will continue to expand, possibly getting more flying as United and Delta shed Mesa out of BK for better service.

Right on! Unions have done 'NOTHING', I repeat 'NOTHING' for anyone. Just look at comair's 89 day strike...so what happened then? In the end, the Major Airline managements will decide what you get...strike all you want and get your 'Scab list' ready because that's the only way you'd (believers in Unions) feel some accomplishment.

Simply look at SkyWest and 'MOVE ON' !

I know bunch of people at SkyWest and these folks work directly with the management with no union. If SkyWest can work so nicely with their pilots...may be it's time for rest of the airlines to 'abolish' unions.

My tuppence.

Fly Safe.

Bunny

 

[FlyBunny]

Quit whining! This environment is called every man for himself and may the best man win!!! Let us ask ourselves this. What union allowed all this to start happening? Thats right ALPO started this whole race my friend. The best way to send a message is for everyone to start trying to get ALPO decertified. In fact anyone who wants info holla at me. Isnt it funny the non union company makes more than most regionals do? What does that say about ALPO? I say its time to impeach every single one of those SOBs. Comair used to have the good contract and look what we were forced into. DECERTIFY ALPA NOW! ITS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF 2% of your check. With the amount of dues ive paid that have been wasted over the years I could have taken the lady out to even more nice dinners and we go out 3 nights a week. Instead of "holding the line" lets put ALPA on ice, they do no good anyway

Bravo!

You have no idea how many pilots out there would support this idea of 'abolishing' unions - ALPA in this reference. They have done nothing. I mean...2% of pay...for what.

Lets keep this up. No one, no one at all, can argue what SkyWest has without a [useless ALPA] union. Granted they [SkyWest] don't have it all, but just look at the conditions at those unionized airlines. All I'm saying is...why have a union when you can have all this without a union?

If unions are abolished...of course some (a minority) group would be enraged and stand up for so-called 'values', but in the end, they'd be standing in line trying to get the jobs. After all these so-called 'unionized', stand-up pilots with 'integrity' have NEVER refused to obey an instruction from thousands of Air Traffic Controller who replaced the controllers in 1981 [interesting also how many unionized pilots who put down Freedom and ************************* wouldn’t hesitate to ‘jump-seat’ on the same airlines]. So, is your convenience more of a value then your integrity then?

Funny how their values change on case-to-case basis.

Go SkyWest!

Bunny

 

[WTF-Over]

I told you so.......