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WTF-Over

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Open Letter to SkyWest Pilots

This letter is a response to recent articles that appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune and a warning of what role you have played and will play in the industry in the years to come. In 2000, SkyWest and Mesaba Airlines were equal in size when comparing aircraft fleet and pilot groups. The reason that I use Mesaba as an example is for two reasons; the first is because I am a pilot at Mesaba, the second reason will come later. To the credit of SkyWest management, they have more then doubled the size of your fleet in only five years, as well as diversified into several main line carriers.
In the go-go days of the late 1990’s thru early 2000 all pilot groups were negotiating for their share of the corporate profits. Delta was buying their regional carriers because the legacy’s believed this was the best way to control their investments. SkyWest pilots wondered where they would fit in this grand scheme. Being tied to two legacy carriers made it an impossibility to be owned by either one.
After years of contract negotiations, Comair pilots took an unprecedented stand and were forced into a strike that lasted 89 days. This shut down Cincinnati and a large portion of Delta’s routes. The lesson learned by the legacy carriers was to diversify their regional routes. Comair and SkyWest routes were integrated as were Northwest Airlink routes; Mesaba and Pinnacle. United would soon follow suit.
About this same time, Mesa Airlines CEO Jonathan Ornstein decided that he would squelch the Mesa pilot’s negotiations by starting a non-union carrier called Freedom Airlines. The Mesa pilots gave up considerable pay in order to obtain job security (scope clause). In a move by Ornstein, reminiscent of Frank Lorenzo, many other regional airline CEO’s decided to use this new “union busting” technique to become known
as -whipsawing-.
Once all regionals had diversified routing and overlap the majors would put the regional flying up for re-bid. Effectively making the regionals bid on their own flying. Management was then “forced” to ask the labor groups for concessions in order to secure the flying previously awarded. United started with ACA and Air Wisconsin. In a brave move both airlines told United to take a flying leap. ACA became FlyI, and Air Willy moved on (both pilot groups were still forced into concessions). During Mesaba pilot contract negotiations Northwest (NWA) shrunk the size of one Airlink (Mesaba) and increased the size of the other (Pinnacle). Express Jet pilots lost some of their flying to SkyWest during their negations.
As it stands today, Continental has asked Express Jet for concessions and threatened to take 69 planes from them. Mesaba has been told that it will loose 35 of its jets, Pinnacle has parked 15 jets. ASA has been told by Jerry Atkin that the reason the 70 seaters went to SkyWest is because their [SkyWest] 70 seat rate is lower.
Mesaba has been forced into bidding on its own flying as well as bidding on Express Jet’s and Pinnacle’s. Comair is bidding on Delta and Mesaba routes. SkyWest is bidding on Mesaba and Pinnacle routes for Northwest and Express Jet routes. Effectively all regional flying has been put up for bid forcing artificial competition between labor groups. Many of these labor groups are associated with a carrier in bankruptcy. The choice this leaves is either take concessions or loose your labor contract and/or flying.
As ASA pilots fought for a better contract, Delta saw the writing on the wall. So now ASA pilots and SkyWest pilots will be in direct competition. ASA pilots will be forced into concessions to compete with SkyWest. SkyWest pilots won’t be getting an equitable raise because Atkin just used $330 million of your profits to “pay” for guaranteed flying for Delta. After the acquisition of ASA, SkyWest profits went up 83% in the fourth quarter. The pilot’s of SkyWest will not reap the benefits of this, even in your meager profit sharing. Your raises are based on an industrial survey. With all other airlines taking concessions you will be forced down this road as well.
Since SkyWest pilots don’t work under an organized union contract per se, you will have no protection under an acquisition/merger scenario. You are an airline CEO’s wet dream, a non-unionized carrier with no leverage to negotiate. This is the reason that you have not felt directly under attack as all other pilot groups have. I am not saying that the union is the answer (far from it), but this is why you have abated the misery of what has become of the industry.
While your current pay scales are good, with the exception of the 70 seat rate, they will remain the same (if not decrease) for a very long time. You work under substandard work rules and now will be in direct competition with ASA. Although you have bid on Northwest flying you will not be awarded any of it. See, Northwest can’t control you and therefore you are of no interest to them. You are being used as a way to decrease the cost of the Airline Service Agreement between NWA, Mesaba and Pinnacle. (This is the second reason that I write this). SkyWest pilots watch your management carefully; you are being used as pawns to draw down the contracts of organized pilot labor groups.
 
But yet, skywest has some of the best schedules, trips, pay, and work rules out of all the regionals. They have hung onto their domiciles, and expanded while doing so. I think there is a bigger reason behind their being successful other than not having a union.

I have several friends there, and they LOVE it. Apparently, this guy (writer of the letter) sees the writing on the wall there, but I don't. They will continue to expand, possibly getting more flying as United and Delta shed Mesa out of BK for better service.
 
Quit whining! This environment is called every man for himself and may the best man win!!! Let us ask ourselves this. What union allowed all this to start happening? Thats right ALPO started this whole race my friend. The best way to send a message is for everyone to start trying to get ALPO decertified. In fact anyone who wants info holla at me. Isnt it funny the non union company makes more than most regionals do? What does that say about ALPO? I say its time to impeach every single one of those SOBs. Comair used to have the good contract and look what we were forced into. DECERTIFY ALPA NOW! ITS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF 2% of your check. With the amount of dues ive paid that have been wasted over the years I could have taken the lady out to even more nice dinners and we go out 3 nights a week. Instead of "holding the line" lets put ALPA on ice, they do no good anyway
 
OMG, your'e sooooo full of sh!t.


CO approached Skywest about flying EMB's in IAH- because expressjet had become an ALL JET fleet.


Get yer friggin facts straight.
 
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He has a point guys, lets all quit.
 
This guy is upset that he made a bad choice and went to Mesaba when he should of gone to SkyWest. Not to bag on him because, I did the same thing. I spent 6 years at Eagle and then decided to go to SkyWest.. Best thing I did. Eagle was so onesided (only flying for AA) so is Mesaba. SkyWest is flying for DL and UA and looking for more. They will have that 330 mil they spent on ASA back in less then 2 years. The key is who ever wrote this is mad that Mesaba did not live up to his expectations. Sorry Time to move on.
 
Sorry amcnd,
your wrong about me. This is not about the union either. Skywest will get their 330 mil back but you won't see any of it. SW has been pitted agianst other labor groups as leverage nothing else.
 
"Watch your management"? And what call the Ghostbusters? C'mon dude...... You made your choice, now own it.
 
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Skywest is kicking azz and taking names. Plus decent pay and work rules to boot. The article writer needs to get over himself and cut out the self pity.
 
Why did I come to SkyWest? I was furloughed (freight doggie). Lots of west coast flying. West coast domiciles. My friends who got hired here have stayed...and love it. It used to have a "family" feel, although not as much now cause the company has grown so much. The pay is decent. The maintenance is good.

Who we fly for, whether or not there is a union on property, or lifelong employment was never a factor in my decision to work here.

I take no joy in watching other pilots get hosed by their respective companies. I take no joy in the fact that I'm flying routes taken from other carriers. Its a job. We fly for a living. We apply for work at companies we think will bring us the most satisfaction, whatever those reasons may be.

I am fully aware there are no guarantees in aviation. Just trying to do the best I can for myself under the circumstances. Nobody owes me anything. I will move on when a better opportunity arises. No bloated ego, no immature finger-pointing, just a professional pilot who loves what I do, and keeps things professional so I won't undermine the respect we are given by the public, and from each other.

Business can be a ruthless, evil, greedy game. Not my bag baby, I'll just fly.
 
wheelsup said:
But yet, skywest has some of the best schedules, trips, pay, and work rules out of all the regionals. They have hung onto their domiciles, and expanded while doing so. I think there is a bigger reason behind their being successful other than not having a union.

I have several friends there, and they LOVE it. Apparently, this guy (writer of the letter) sees the writing on the wall there, but I don't. They will continue to expand, possibly getting more flying as United and Delta shed Mesa out of BK for better service.

Sky west is a class act.
 
D'Angelo said:
http://www.nrtw.org/d/deauth_decert_rla.htm This link is for anyone who is interested in decertification of a union. That is how you get the ball rolling on getting rid of ALPA. Lets get this baby started! FREE CHOICE FOR EMPLOYEES not forced union BS. NOT ONE MORE CENT for ALPA

fa rill man. Alpa is mainline oriented. you guys are step children. we need a union that does regionals
 
WTF-Over said:

1. I am not saying that the union is the answer (far from it), but this is why you have abated the misery of what has become of the industry.

2. You work under substandard work rules and now will be in direct competition with ASA.

3. Although you have bid on Northwest flying you will not be awarded any of it. See, Northwest can’t control you and therefore you are of no interest to them. You are being used as a way to decrease the cost of the Airline Service Agreement between NWA, Mesaba and Pinnacle. (This is the second reason that I write this). SkyWest pilots watch your management carefully; you are being used as pawns to draw down the contracts of organized pilot labor groups.

WTF-Over,

We've all seen some really clueless posts on this forum but you deserve special recognition.

I don't have the time or inclination to respond to every statement contained in your mostly ignorant rant but I feel compelled to address a few.

1. SkyWest pilots should regret the fact they haven't suffered the "misery this industry has become?" Gimme a frigging break. Shold SkyWest pilots be kicking themselves and wishing they had gone to an airline where they would have been furloughed or spent 8-10 years as an FO? Should someone who went to work at Southwest in 2001 and expects to upgrade next year wish they went to work for UAL instead so they could have experienced some misery?

2. If the SkyWest work rules are so substandard why are some of the ASA pilots saying they want SkyWest workrules? Can you give some examples of where SkyWest work rules are notably "substandard." Do you even know what the word substandard means? Can you cite some examples of SkyWest's notably substandard work rules?

3. Although it's impossible for you, I, or anyone else to predict whether or not SkyWest will be awarded NWA flying your premise is totally faulty. SkyWest is independent. To say that NWA won't do business with SkyWest because they would "lack control" ignores the reality that UAL and DAL have contracted with SkyWest for many years without the "control" you feel NWA needs. There are advantages to contracting with an independent carrier as opposed to a wholly or partially owned subsidiary. The major carrier does not have to invest in the independent. If the major carrier decides to terminate the business relationship with an independent carrier they are not cutting off cash flow from their own subsidiary.

I think it would be best if you focused on your own problems and stop worrying and whining about SkyWest pilots. You claim that SkyWest pilots are being "used as pawns" but conveniently ignore the fact that pilots have zero control over flying and bids for new flying. Do you expect the SkyWest pilot group to drop by Jerry's house on a Sunday afternoon and ask him not to bid on any NWA flying?
 
WTF-Over said:
You are being used as a way to decrease the cost of the Airline Service Agreement between NWA, Mesaba and Pinnacle.

So why don't you trot on over to Mesaba and Pinnacle's managment and tip them off? Tell them not to worry about SkyWest. They should just call NWA's bluff and bid a lot more than SkyWest is bidding. After all NWA has no intention of awarding any flying to SkyWest because they "won't be able to control SkyWest."
 
Dave Benjamin said:
...Do you expect the SkyWest pilot group to drop by Jerry's house on a Sunday afternoon and ask him not to bid on any NWA flying?
Dave, you mean you weren't there for his Mardis Gras party?? I was. ;)
 
joe_pilot said:
Dave, you mean you weren't there for his Mardis Gras party?? I was. ;)

Nothing like Mardi Gras in St. George......WILD times, I hear......and of course, Jerry's wife got all the beads....AGAIN....:pimp::beer:
 
"Open Letter to SkyWest Pilots"

WTF- Over, do the "couselers" at the methadone clinic you are at know you are online?
 
WTF-Over said:
...After years of contract negotiations, Comair pilots took an unprecedented stand and were forced into a strike that lasted 89 days. This shut down Cincinnati and a large portion of Delta’s routes. The lesson learned by the legacy carriers was to diversify their regional routes. Comair and SkyWest routes were integrated as were Northwest Airlink routes; Mesaba and Pinnacle. United would soon follow suit.

About this same time, Mesa Airlines CEO Jonathan Ornstein decided that he would squelch the Mesa pilot’s negotiations by starting a non-union carrier called Freedom Airlines. The Mesa pilots gave up considerable pay in order to obtain job security (scope clause). In a move by Ornstein, reminiscent of Frank Lorenzo, many other regional airline CEO’s decided to use this new “union busting” technique to become known as -whipsawing-.

Once all regionals had diversified routing and overlap the majors would put the regional flying up for re-bid. Effectively making the regionals bid on their own flying. Management was then “forced” to ask the labor groups for concessions in order to secure the flying previously awarded. United started with ACA and Air Wisconsin....
This is exactly correct.
 
D'Angelo said:
DECERTIFY ALPA NOW! ITS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF 2% of your check. With the amount of dues ive paid that have been wasted over the years I could have taken the lady out to even more nice dinners and we go out 3 nights a week.

True, I don't think ALPA is good for the regionals!! But when you were on strike, you sure didn't hesitate to Cash those checks that we (Alpa Members) sent ya! And don't blame ALPA for your current conditions!!!! Didn't you guys vote it in????? Remember, every man for himself.... Maybe its you that needs to stop whinning!!!
 
The history you don't know

WTF-Over,

This isn't a new union-busting technique, it's just seems to be new to you. Whipsaw's have been going on for quite sometime before this latest round. Be it NY Air vs. Texas International, the many predecessor carriers that now make up Eagle(and are responsible for some of the flying you now do at Mesaba btw), or B scales at AA, UA, etc. Whining (no matter how eloquent) didn't seem to help them out of those situations, doubt it will help you. There are solutions, but most of them aren't pretty and without risk-things which many Americans and pilots in particular have become quite adverse to so out comes the whining. Or you can go fight with less money under D'Angelo's theory b/c it's too hard and too much work to reform ALPA.
 
Atkin said even bigger aircraft may be in the works for its Delta Connection service. Delta is negotiating with its pilots for permission to hire regional airlines like SkyWest and ASA to fly jets with more than 70 passengers. If the pilots agree, SkyWest could acquire 90-seat aircraft.
SkyWest is moving to larger jets because there is a need for them in some of its markets. And the cost of flying larger aircraft is cheaper, Atkin said.


This is my point, now you will be flying 90 seaters for 50 seat pay. You have no ability to ask for anything higher plus your taken away your own job proggresion.
 
So one of the sapa reps who has done major damage to the work rules and wages not just at skywest but also caused a rippling effect to other carriers has "resigned his position". He is as anti union as they come and was specifically the biggest proponent of "flying up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages" as anyone out there. When this was comming up on a vote he never flew....he just trolled the sapa message boards and sold this agreement to everybody "this is only temperary.....throw the company a bone and when we get some of these jets on the property they will deal us an ace and better pay...separate the pay, etc".

Not surprisingly more than a few pilots are watching with interest to see where he goes (his lips are sealed for obvious reasons) and if that happens to be a union carrier that used its powers to create a work environment that "John Doe"obviously preferrs over the non union one he was so pompous about while at skywest. One other thing...during his tenure of basically giving away pilot pay and work rules to management he applied for a cheif pilot job.....was not accepted so he went back to cramming more junk down the general pilot groups throats.....maybe after all that the chief pilot job in SAN still wasnt going to work out so he turned to one of the those darn majors with its evil union and is now movin over leaving a very sad legacy and ruins behind him for those pilots he was supposed to represent to "deal with" now that he is gone. Pretty soon he will forget all about those poor slobs as he kissed butt trying to make cheif pilot at his new airline. Whoever got him.....beware!

Apparently not all skywest pilots are happy!! This is from another post
 
WTF-OVER,
Its about time somebody said this. This is the best post I have read in a long time. I think that you hit a nerve with some of these guys here.
 
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"WTF-OVER,
Its about time somebody said this. This is the best post I have read in a long time. I think that you hit a nerve with some of these guys here."





Did WTF-OVER just create his own "ALTER -EGO" handle?

Hope Nobody whiipsaws him against himself!
 
FFFO said:
Why did I come to SkyWest? I was furloughed (freight doggie). Lots of west coast flying. West coast domiciles. My friends who got hired here have stayed...and love it. It used to have a "family" feel, although not as much now cause the company has grown so much. The pay is decent. The maintenance is good.

Who we fly for, whether or not there is a union on property, or lifelong employment was never a factor in my decision to work here.

I take no joy in watching other pilots get hosed by their respective companies. I take no joy in the fact that I'm flying routes taken from other carriers. Its a job. We fly for a living. We apply for work at companies we think will bring us the most satisfaction, whatever those reasons may be.

I am fully aware there are no guarantees in aviation. Just trying to do the best I can for myself under the circumstances. Nobody owes me anything. I will move on when a better opportunity arises. No bloated ego, no immature finger-pointing, just a professional pilot who loves what I do, and keeps things professional so I won't undermine the respect we are given by the public, and from each other.

Business can be a ruthless, evil, greedy game. Not my bag baby, I'll just fly.

Great Post...Thank You!
 
WTF-Over,
Dude, I think you're frustration is misplaced. It's not the SkyWest pilots or non-union status that's created your situation. Pilot pay is a tiny fraction of the over-all cost per hour to operate an RJ. Superior management and a bit of luck has put SkyWest head and shoulders above most other regional carriers. So don't be pissed at the SkyWest boys, you should be pissed at your own inept management team.
 

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