Open Letter to B19

[B19 Flyer]

B19 - you do realize that IATA is a lobbying group for airline management, right?

Now I'm trying to justify the mission of IATA. My head hurts.

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http://www.iata.org/about/mission



IATA at the Air Transport Industry's side

Air transport is one of the most dynamic industries in the world. The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is its global trade organisation.
Over 60 years, IATA has developed the commercial standards that built a global industry. Today, IATA’s mission is to represent, lead and serve the airline industry. Its members comprise over 240 airlines - the world’s leading passenger and cargo airlines among them - representing 94 percent of scheduled international air traffic.
Representing…

IATA seeks to improve understanding of the industry among decision makers and increase awareness of the benefits that aviation brings to national and global economies. It fights for the interests of airlines across the globe, challenging unreasonable rules and charges, holding regulators and governments to account, and striving for sensible regulation.
Leading…

IATA’s aim is to help airlines help themselves by simplifying processes and increasing passenger convenience while reducing costs and improving efficiency. The groundbreaking Simplifying the Business initiative is crucial in this area. Moreover, safety is IATA’s number one priority, and IATA’s goal is to continually improve safety standards, notably through IATA’s Operational Safety Audit (IOSA). Another main concern is to minimise the impact of air transport on environment.
Serving…

IATA ensures that people and goods can move around the global airline network as easily as if they were on a single airline in a single country. In addition, it provides essential professional support to all industry stakeholders with a wide range of products and expert services, such as publications, training and consulting. IATA’s financial systems also help carriers and the travel industry maximise revenues.
… For the benefit for all parties involved:

· For consumers, IATA simplifies the travel and shipping processes, while keeping costs down. Passengers can make one telephone call to reserve a ticket, pay in one currency and then use the ticket on several airlines in several countries.
· IATA allows airlines to operate safely, securely, efficiently and economically under clearly defined rules.
· IATA serves as an intermediary between airlines and passenger as well as cargo agents via neutrally applied agency service standards and centralised financial systems.
· A large network of industry suppliers and service providers gathered by IATA provides solid expertise to airlines in a variety of industry solutions.
· For governments, IATA seeks to ensure they are well informed about the complexities of the aviation industry to ensure better, long-term decisions.

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[Hobbes]

It must be too hard to switch back and forth between FI accounts on the same day...so one day he is B19 and the next he is KSU Aviator....or maybe he isn't KSU Aviator, but he at least admits he has no credibility and must use aliases to further his arguments.

Whatever.

FUD flinger.

Where do you work?

 

[B19 Flyer]

It must be too hard to switch back and forth between FI accounts on the same day...so one day he is B19 and the next he is KSU Aviator....or maybe he isn't KSU Aviator, but he at least admits he has no credibility and must use aliases to further his arguments.

Whatever.

FUD flinger.

Where do you work?

I explained I am nothing but credible, you and the others choose not to listen.

www.unionfacts.com

 

[Guitar Guy]

Now I'm trying to justify the mission of IATA. My head hurts.

_________________

http://www.iata.org/about/mission



IATA at the Air Transport Industry's side

Air transport is one of the most dynamic industries in the world. The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is its global trade organisation.
Over 60 years, IATA has developed the commercial standards that built a global industry. Today, IATA’s mission is to represent, lead and serve the airline industry. Its members comprise over 240 airlines - the world’s leading passenger and cargo airlines among them - representing 94 percent of scheduled international air traffic.
Representing…

IATA seeks to improve understanding of the industry among decision makers and increase awareness of the benefits that aviation brings to national and global economies. It fights for the interests of airlines across the globe, challenging unreasonable rules and charges, holding regulators and governments to account, and striving for sensible regulation.
Leading…

IATA’s aim is to help airlines help themselves by simplifying processes and increasing passenger convenience while reducing costs and improving efficiency. The groundbreaking Simplifying the Business initiative is crucial in this area. Moreover, safety is IATA’s number one priority, and IATA’s goal is to continually improve safety standards, notably through IATA’s Operational Safety Audit (IOSA). Another main concern is to minimise the impact of air transport on environment.
Serving…

IATA ensures that people and goods can move around the global airline network as easily as if they were on a single airline in a single country. In addition, it provides essential professional support to all industry stakeholders with a wide range of products and expert services, such as publications, training and consulting. IATA’s financial systems also help carriers and the travel industry maximise revenues.
… For the benefit for all parties involved:

· For consumers, IATA simplifies the travel and shipping processes, while keeping costs down. Passengers can make one telephone call to reserve a ticket, pay in one currency and then use the ticket on several airlines in several countries.
· IATA allows airlines to operate safely, securely, efficiently and economically under clearly defined rules.
· IATA serves as an intermediary between airlines and passenger as well as cargo agents via neutrally applied agency service standards and centralised financial systems.
· A large network of industry suppliers and service providers gathered by IATA provides solid expertise to airlines in a variety of industry solutions.
· For governments, IATA seeks to ensure they are well informed about the complexities of the aviation industry to ensure better, long-term decisions.

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And you proved my point - thank you.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Your paid not what you deserve, your paid what you negotiate......

Yes, you get paid what you negotiate and you can negotiate for more if you are worth more.

 

[ksu_aviator]

No that is NOT the problem. Let me school you on how that sentence was supposed to read.

What KSU meant to say -
"The real problem is a management that think they have an inherent right to make the pilots job & life hell. The real problem is a management that refuses to negotiate in good faith. The real problem is management conducting retaliation and condoning favoritism. The real problem is unfair salaries for the professional skill required."

So like Hobbs stated, you can't even fathom the attrocities that flops mang has/is committing. So much is not published here at FI it's staggering. So let's just throw some stuff out there for fun, shall we? Good---OK.

1. For years Flops pilots used to enjoy any domicile that was served by 3 airlines. Not anymore. A tier system that is a joke. Meant to choke off certain pilots at higher pay scales. Only to hire in fresh cheap meat into the new domicile and year one pay.
2. Health care turned self insured.
3. Schedulers putting crews in "crew-rot" at 5am with no plane, or co-pilot. Only to sit for 14 hours.
4. "Mistakenly" cancelling crew meals.
5. A new Canpass policy requiring pilots to have Canpasss (Not required at NJA hmmm) For years this wasn't required. Union voted in, now a new policy, hmmm. But if your a kool-aid drinking pilot and you can't get Canpass you're not asked to resign or go on LOA.
6. If your a Kool-aid drinker and run a perfectly good mu-300 off an icy short runway without T/r's you get to keep your job.
7. If you preflight too slowly you lose your job.
8. If you taxi back with un-ruly pax, you lose your job cause of "inconviencing the client"
9. If a kool-aid drinking pilot turns you in and accuses you of breaking an airplane without evidence, so you can write it up, you lose your job.
10. Kool-aid drinking pilots that fly from mountainous airports to the coast you get to keep their job.
11. If you like to suck in engine covers, you keep your job if you live on the pink juice.
12. If you taxi a plane into another plane but might be the type of pilot inclined to sue if fired over the incident, then you get to keep your job.
13. But be sure not to write a post on a private board that could be deamed "inciting". You'll be fired quick.
14. Management has spent untold thousands and thousands to Ford & Harrision the union busters instead of putting the money towards their pilots. Mang loves to step over $10 to pick up a $1.
15. Flops mang enjoys working the pilots on overtime and promises to pay them next year for services rendered.
16. Continous rise in health care premiums with Plans being reduced and/or taken away. Cost increase of premiums over 300%!! with benefits decreasing. Might have something to do with the company being self insured...hmmmm
17. Enjoy your assigned forced vacation time you spent years earning, by mang forcing it on you (excuse me) "assigning" it to you during the awesome months of March, Sept, April.
18. Flops mang enjoys paying commuter wages to pilots that fly around people that have incomes in the top 10% of the wealthiest people in America. Can you say What The F$CK OVER!
19. Flops SIC's upgrading after 5yrs enjoy a ZERO $$ pay raise. SIC 5 yr pay is equal to 1st year captain. It's called SLIDE TO POVERTY.
20. Over a year and half since the 1108 voted in and they aren't even close to a contract. Mang is stalling stalling stalling stalling. Nice company to work for, they really care about the pilots and company and want to move forward.

So to all the nay sayers out there...Would you want to be treated this way? Do you want to be paid these wages for that amount of work done? (8 days on. Maybe 7 off with the new rules) for that amount of service provided, knowdledge, training, experience and skill required!?

A f%cking doctor isn't required to stay on his "A" game like a pilot is every 6 months. Yet toll booth collectors are making more, valet freaking parkers in Vegas make more then FLOPS pilots. Line guys moving bags from the ground to the trunk make more. So KSU - the pilots don't "have work harder to prove they deserve a pay raise" They've been doing it for years! They deserve years of back pay for service already proven worthy of higher salaries!

-Sorry I sugar coated it.

Why are you acting like a thug? Did I ever say Flight Options is a great place to work? Did I ever say that unions where never needed? I didn't say that. But you went a long ways towards proving my point.

Some of your gripes sound a lot like a 5 year old that had his candy stolen at school. Grow up. Ya, Options sucks. However, enough of that pilot group has come on this board (and others), and acted the way you just did, that certain companies (Flex for one) that don't want anything to do with an Options pilot. So tone it down. Don't act like a cry baby.

BTW, a point of fact, Doctors do have a type of recurrent training. You don't really think the government would let them go to school once and never again do you?

 

[ksu_aviator]

And yet some of those who are "trained to manage" are not good managers or leaders. Note the use of the word "some". Incompetence shouldn't be tolerated in the cockpit or the boardroom.

I completely agree, but if you have a bad pilot do you let a flight attendant fly the airplane? No. So if you are a pilot, does that qualify you to take over the management side of the company? No.

Ah, the carrot-on-the-stick approach. Someone else has already responded that one get what one negotiate. I'd also add that having worked under the merit-based compensation system in a previous career, that it's not without its abuses, sometimes rewarding the brown-noser and not the hard-worker.

I just addressed this, but it is worth saying again, you can better negotiate if you are a better asset.

 

[ksu_aviator]

It must be too hard to switch back and forth between FI accounts on the same day...so one day he is B19 and the next he is KSU Aviator....or maybe he isn't KSU Aviator, but he at least admits he has no credibility and must use aliases to further his arguments.

Whatever.

FUD flinger.

Where do you work?

Over compensating for something, are we?

Ok, ok, you got me. I might as well come clean. I am Dick Cheney and I'm having a hard time with this logging in and out thing. You know how my heart is, well my brain just isn't getting the blood flow it use to. Tomorrow, Karl Rove is going to help me plant a virus on your computer that will subliminally hypnotise you to become gay, just like we did with that trouble making Senator from MN.



Gosh, it feels so good to get that off of my chest. imp:

 

[Hobbes]

I don't care if I don't agree with your point of view, that was one funny damn post. (KSU that is)

As far as B19,

paraphrasing, "I have already told you, I am nothing if not credible."

Yeah, thanks for reaffirming that. Fud Flinger - time to kill the Wabbits....

 

[Guitar Guy]

I just addressed this, but it is worth saying again, you can better negotiate if you are a better asset.

I think that would apply to what NJA management has learned by working with 1108 for the betterment of the company and the pilots.