One List for 9E/XJ/Colgan???

[RJLoser]

Think it will be one list for all three...or one for the new Pinnacle and one for the new Mesaba?

Sounds like most pilots want the integration done sooner than later.

 

[Airscrew]

One list

 

[SEVEN]

One FAIR list!!! Let's try to keep this from turning into an East vs West and the Cactus MESS!! No one wants brawls in the crew rooms. It's war.....but lets all be on the same team.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Pinnacle and Mesaba fair integration, then staple Colgan on the bottom.

 

[SEVEN]

Pinnacle and Mesaba fair integration, then staple Colgan on the bottom.

Even with a "fair" list of all 3 company's, the majority of Colgan pilots will still be at the bottom of the list when the integration is complete.

 

[Andrew_VT]

I bet the list will end up looking pretty much like a straight 'relative seniority' integration. In other words if you are 50% up your current list now expect to be about 50% up the combined list with only some slight adjustments from there.

Is DOH a stated factor in ALPA merger policy again? I know it wasn't during the US/AW thing but didn't UA have it put back in there since?

 

[SEVEN]

Pinnacle Hiring?

Maybe I missed it awhile back, but I thought Pinnacle wasn't hiring? Looks like they are now.

http://www.flypinnacle.com/pilotjobs/index.php

 

[silver02ex]

Maybe I missed it awhile back, but I thought Pinnacle wasn't hiring? Looks like they are now.

http://www.flypinnacle.com/pilotjobs/index.php

There's been mentioning of it from Memphis a couple months back, about starting an August class.

 

[RJLoser]

I bet the list will end up looking pretty much like a straight 'relative seniority' integration. In other words if you are 50% up your current list now expect to be about 50% up the combined list with only some slight adjustments from there.

Is DOH a stated factor in ALPA merger policy again? I know it wasn't during the US/AW thing but didn't UA have it put back in there since?

That would mean a fairly new hire at Colgan would be senior to 2-3 year FO's at pinnacle/Mesaba.

 

[jonjuan]

That would mean a fairly new hire at Colgan would be senior to 2-3 year FO's at pinnacle/Mesaba.

Well, as 2 year hires are starting to look at CA at colgan, that sounds about right. Sounds like they'll get the benefit of their quicker growth. Similar scenario between UAL/CAL where a 2005 CAL hire is equivalent to a mid 90s UAL hire simply due to growth/no or negative growth.

 

[i fly boxes]

what do you all think about relative seniority? It basically places everyone where they are now? Thoughts?

 

[kellwolf]

Well, as 2 year hires are starting to look at CA at colgan, that sounds about right. Sounds like they'll get the benefit of their quicker growth. Similar scenario between UAL/CAL where a 2005 CAL hire is equivalent to a mid 90s UAL hire simply due to growth/no or negative growth.

I think what he meant was the guy hired at Colgan last week is in the same spot on their seniority list as the guy at Pinnacle that got hired 2 years ago (or the guy at Mesaba that got furloughed already). I don't think our reserve FOs are anywhere NEAR looking at CA......

 

[SplitBar]

what do you all think about relative seniority? It basically places everyone where they are now? Thoughts?

Relative seniority seems mostly fair but it does create windfalls. Lets assume the #1 pilot at Colgan has 8 years. Should he/she be entitled to be in the top few on a combined list and leapfrog over 20+ year XJ/9E pilots and be a top dog 900 Captain? I heard that Fences would also be placed.

 

[snap145]

One FAIR list!!! Let's try to keep this from turning into an East vs West and the Cactus MESS!! No one wants brawls in the crew rooms. It's war.....but lets all be on the same team.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..now you wanna be friends with all of us???????..dont give me one bit of same team bullcrap from you of all people...I cant tell you how hilarious it is to see you with your foot stuck in your fat mouth after youve done nothing but verbally bash each and every one of my cohoorts from the safety and comfort of your laptop...you will NEVER be a part of this team, bc you care about only one thing...yourself...I wish everyone at XJ good luck, truth is I am probably gonna get screwed by a "relative" integration....but dont pretend for a minute that you wanna be a team player all of a sudden...youve already made your stance with your stupid idiotic disrespectful comments...and now you wanna be a "team player"...dont worry SEVEN...we will figure it out soon enough..then we can talk about being on the same team...

 

[xjgearbtch]

I'd like to see everyone take a deep breath and take a break it's been, what, three days? Let the economic's staff and lawyers (ALPA) who plan this stuff professionally. Have them set out a game plan. All this chest puffing and speculation does no good. This arm chair quarterbacking just divides us.

Clean slate let's move forward with everyone's success in mind.

Respond don't react!!