One Fractional Union

[fischman]

The master scab list I have has several 91/91k/135 names on it. Of course, they were 121 with they crossed the line.

 

[fischman]

It's not a bylaw thing thing. It's a DOL thing.

The DOL only cares about elections and dues. You know that!!!!

 

[t-bone]

False analogy. Its doing the work that is being struck. Like flying an airplane with United or Eastern on it during their strife. Hope that helps you understand.

Most of our pax have hours with multiple providers. I frequently have pax tell me they also fly on flops/flex/nja while the current trip is under an XO program. You going to call me a scab for flying an XO client who also happens to own hours on NJA? What about the EJM guys, who are the first line of defense when NJA needs to sell-off a trip? Would they be scabs for simply doing their job with possible no knowledge of any work action?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

No t. If they own multiple shares, you are right, the pilots wouldn't be considered scabs because it is not NJA work.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Bent. The scab list that was given to me (updated 6/2014) has several 91/91k/135 pilots on it. Being a non-rev and a jumpseater are very different. The Captain can deny a jumpseater, but not a non-rev, for being on the list even if they are a CASS participant. But you knew that already.

 

[el raton]

Bent. The scab list that was given to me (updated 6/2014) has several 91/91k/135 pilots on it. Being a non-rev and a jumpseater are very different. The Captain can deny a jumpseater, but not a non-rev, for being on the list even if they are a CASS participant. But you knew that already.

How and why would a 91k pilot be on the scab list? That bull********************!

 

[flexpilot]

There was no protective ring. Your full of it.

Warren's goons. Were you there last time? Those cops formed a protective ring.



Boo-hoo! Warren ain't ascared of no lawsuit. The event will be over before you immediately file in federal court.

See you in Omaha. I'll be handing out hot chocolate to the police.

 

[Praetorian]

The DOL only cares about elections and dues. You know that!!!!

What I know is that NJASAP can only represent NJ pilots, because of the way your association has been chartered.

 

[fischman]

What I know is that NJASAP can only represent NJ pilots, because of the way your association has been chartered.

Right. And through a membership ratification, the bylaws may be changed. We've done it twice since NJASAP's inception.

My question is, "What's in it for us?"

 

[fischman]

How and why would a 91k pilot be on the scab list? That bull********************!

If (s)he scabbed while working for Eastern, for example, they would currently be a 91/91k/135 pilot on the scab list.

 

[el raton]

If (s)he scabbed while working for Eastern, for example, they would currently be a 91/91k/135 pilot on the scab list.

Understood, thanks.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Bylaws can be changed. Repeatedly.

Ignored, misinterpreted, and twisted too.....

 

[CRAWDADDY]

There was no protective ring. Your full of it.

The goons came out of the Quest center and tried to disperse the group as it initially formed. The cops "protected" us and 'splained things to them and they went back to the Center. Time for you to hit the head, pant load.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

From the comments section of the recent WSJ piece:

"NetJet Pilots better make sure they have all their fellow unions on board before they go on strike. The success of Reagan's Firing of the Air Traffic Controllers only worked because he had Jackie Presser and the Teamsters' approval that they would not honour the picket line. As Mr. Presser reportedly said 'Members don't feel too bad for the other guy making $250k a year when he goes on strike.'"

 

[Lord Wakefield]

For all we know, Famguy or his hubby is writing those comments to make it sound like John Q. Publik

 

[CA1900]

For all we know, Famguy or his hubby is writing those comments to make it sound like John Q. Publik

I'm assuming it's mostly Twinkie.

 

[AirChef]

to Fischman (sp?)

that attitude is exactly why I started this post! I don't give a damn that NJA is the biggest (a lot of their guys do). The point is that we ALL fight for each other!!! If one is in trouble than we ALL fight for that cause because it would help us all.
If you look at the way unions were started, this is how it was. we now look at everything as US versus THEM and the companies win.

It will never change so, CARRY ON!!!

 

[flex*wife]

Why not get a whole new guest at the party by flex inviting the TWU section of the AFL-CIO?

The way I see it, competition is good and having the teamsters and the AFL-CIO duking it out for bragging rights helps everyone.

IMHO, Flex going with the IBT would be stupid. And FO pilots should agree - it's not good for them to have their voice diluted in the pissing match Ricci has created.

Or does flexjet not need a union? Really if I were an NJ or FO pilot the last thing I'd want to see is a FJ union right now... so what is it boys - altruistic support or your company on top? You can only pick one.

 

[993_Pilot]

Personally, I would love to see Flexjet organize right now, even if it wasn't with the IBT. Of course the problem of picking a different union means that a lot of resources will be pissed away once we are all merged and the two unions are fighting for the vote. The reality it that the union is what the members make it, not the name on the letterhead. I am not against competition, but why squander resources? What we need to be doing is coming together, because we have a lot of common ground in our fight to make "One Sky" a good career job, instead of just another average stop-over job at a large management/charter type operator that exploits it's pilots in order to maximize profits.

 

[dime line]

Why not get a whole new guest at the party by flex inviting the TWU section of the AFL-CIO?

The way I see it, competition is good and having the teamsters and the AFL-CIO duking it out for bragging rights helps everyone.

IMHO, Flex going with the IBT would be stupid. And FO pilots should agree - it's not good for them to have their voice diluted in the pissing match Ricci has created.

Or does flexjet not need a union? Really if I were an NJ or FO pilot the last thing I'd want to see is a FJ union right now... so what is it boys - altruistic support or your company on top? You can only pick one.

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