On Mondy, B19 will look even more foolish...

[brokeflyer]

ah it's so fun.....

it's amazing to watch how desperate someone will be as they are drowning.....lol

 

[netjetwife]

Why do you guys continue to have debates with this a.ssclown..

The term "guys" is often used when addressing a mixed gender group. This time I will be glad to separate myself from the guys...from my view..

This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

That said, the gentlemen (a distinction excluding the fudspinner) are posting good information of interest to many in the frac community.

 

[gunfyter]

Can you say, "The historically expensive Industry Leading Contract has failed?"

I've used the example many times about how unions loved the highly paid CEOS when the industry leading contracts were signed, then hating them and blaming them for the failure when the economy stuttered.

Well, the economy has stuttered, and it's time to blame the industry leading contract for what's happened, not bad management.

The cost needs to be brought into line, and this ain't it folks... It's not enough of an effort by the union.

The losses due to returned aircraft dwarf the entire payroll of the CBA. Did the CBA cause the economy to tank?

The reason we know this is true is that for every airplane that is returned to NJ ... that reduces the need for 6 pilot jobs....

The cost of 6 pilots is many times less than the cost of buying back an airplane in Cash ... plus the loss of Monthly management Revenues... And the losses reported due to Mark-to-Market accounting rules.

The current situation is NOT due to the CBA....

How much did that degree from Clown School cost you?

 

[brokeflyer]

The losses due to returned aircraft dwarf the entire payroll of the CBA. Did the CBA cause the economy to tank?

The reason we know this is true is that for every airplane that is returned to NJ ... that reduces the need for 6 pilot jobs....

The cost of 6 pilots is many times less than the cost of buying back an airplane in Cash ... plus the loss of Monthly management Revenues... And the losses reported due to Mark-to-Market accounting rules.

The current situation is NOT due to the CBA....

How much did that degree from Clown School cost you?

I think whatever college he went to he should go get a refund......after management taked their cut first of cource.

 

[Hogprint]

Hmm, it looks to me like there will be a lot of people whose paychecks are not going to be the same.

Wait a minute... "it looks like there will be" and " It looks like there are" are NOT the same thing.

So, let's get our facts straight since you seem to have a lot of trouble in that realm. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has lost a job here.

Feel free to spin this any way that makes you feel good. If a person takes an early out that is VOLUNTARY, then that is not a job loss. It was VOLUNTARY, you know, acting on one's own free will?

 

[Hogprint]

Why do you guys continue to have debates with this a.ssclown..

I don't see it so much as a debate as a FACT driven beat down.

Notice that he is on a solo quest of disinformation. At least in '04 management had a TEAM of misinformation peddlers.

I guess they learned their lesson and pared back the payroll!

 

[ArtVandalay]

I haven't really payed attention or read any of b19's posts until now and I'm a little confused. If he doesn't work for netjets, what exactly is the point of all this effort he is putting into his posts? why does he care what goes on at netjets? It seems he's just like every other Republican left out there; always bashing the opposing view instead of rallying his own, and always emphasizing his hatred of someone else's beliefs instead championing his.

I don't always agree with you netjet guys but, it does none of us any good battle each other. We don't have a union, I wonder why he doesn't speak of how awesome we are for not having one? Anyway, I'm tired and have already put more thought into this than my brain normally allows. Have a good one guys.

 

[gunfyter]

Art,

Think about if you were a highly paid consultant hired to flight the union.... And then the Union won the battle and became powerful ... and got Pilot Abusers like yourself canned from your sweat heart job in management or as a consultant....

 

[brokeflyer]

I haven't really payed attention or read any of b19's posts until now and I'm a little confused. If he doesn't work for netjets, what exactly is the point of all this effort he is putting into his posts? why does he care what goes on at netjets? It seems he's just like every other Republican left out there; always bashing the opposing view instead of rallying his own, and always emphasizing his hatred of someone else's beliefs instead championing his.

I don't always agree with you netjet guys but, it does none of us any good battle each other. We don't have a union, I wonder why he doesn't speak of how awesome we are for not having one? Anyway, I'm tired and have already put more thought into this than my brain normally allows. Have a good one guys.

that's kinda the whole question....I dont work at FLEX and yet I dont post stuff about their company.....weird huh?

 

[steelersrule74]

It is interesting that in some minds, the union is the root of all problems at NJA - yet the lack of union in other places certainly hasn't guaranteed success, or at the very least no one has pointed out how no union at flex or shares has allowed them to prosper. Most would consider NJA the fractional leader in market share and size. I'm sure the number of applicants and the explosion in growth it experienced had absolutely nothing to do with the Union or the CBA.....

 

[brokeflyer]

he's just mad cause he got owned.....just like that poor ba$tard in your avatar....

 

[B19 Flyer]

The entire pilot staff at NJ is distracted with this

I haven't really payed attention or read any of b19's posts until now and I'm a little confused. If he doesn't work for netjets, what exactly is the point of all this effort he is putting into his posts? why does he care what goes on at netjets? It seems he's just like every other Republican left out there; always bashing the opposing view instead of rallying his own, and always emphasizing his hatred of someone else's beliefs instead championing his.

I don't always agree with you netjet guys but, it does none of us any good battle each other. We don't have a union, I wonder why he doesn't speak of how awesome we are for not having one? Anyway, I'm tired and have already put more thought into this than my brain normally allows. Have a good one guys.

I have many times. But it's so much easier to point out all the flaws of a union company than point out the quietness and well run non-union companies.

All the silence of those non union pilots not in turmoil is so peaceful than those union pilots that are trying to figure out what to do with their careers is deafening and speaks volumes.

Just think of the decision they face. If they choose not to take one of these lucrative packages now, it might not be there again if the numbers are not high enough for staff reduction. Then, they could get furloughed anyway and lose one of these packages. Imagine, behind door number one is a package, or you can wait for door number 2 and get a straight furlough in six months...

That's a hell of way to place a family into turmoil, and that is everybody, not just a handful of guys at the bottom...

The entire pilot staff at NJ is distracted with this, not to mention everybody else...

 

[brokeflyer]

well we altered the CBA to take pay cuts and other measures to prevent job-loss.....

and you're still not happy?

What gives?

You should be very happy at what's happening.

 

[dime line]

YOU Dumb azz Da19

AT LEAST THEY HAVE TWO DOORS TO CHOOSE FROM!!!!!!! SO ME ONE FRACTIONAL COMPANY IN THE FACE OF FURLOUGHS THAT GAVE THEIR FURLOUGHEES A CHOICE!!!!!!!

WHAT A MORON

 

[JungleJett]

Why do you people continue to respond to this guy...you have given him a lot of power over you.

Ignore list works nicely.

 

[FLYLOW22]

He works great on my ignore list.

 

[Pervis]

well we altered the CBA to take pay cuts and other measures to prevent job-loss.....

and you're still not happy?

What gives?

You should be very happy at what's happening.

There has been ZERO alteration to the CBA. There are LOAs affording pilots the free choice to volunteer to participate in a number of job loss mitigation programs. If a pilot chooses not to participate, all conditions of the origional CBA will remain in place.

Either situation may or may not lead to eventual involuntary separations. No one knows at this point. If the economy does not rebound in a reasonable time frame, not ONE company will be able to maintain excess staff on their payroll, regardless of cutbacks, and regardless of union/non-union status.

 

[brokeflyer]

yup that's exactly what I said.

It was altered for some and not altered for others.

point being, b19 was wrong. Sorry.

 

[Pervis]

Not really an issue Broke, other than to dispell part of the crap coming out of a certain individual's mouth. He's been saying for a long time we'd have to change our contract, and we have not done so, even now.

This is a cooperative effort by ALL Netjets employees, to include non-union (for now) NJI, NJE, non-managed EJM, non-flying staff, etc. Frankly, it's a first for aviation, and our union was instrumental in molding the form, working directly with senior management, for all employees to choose from, for the sole purpose of presereving our company and ALL its employees. A very important distinction.

 

[brokeflyer]

yup...i bet it irritates him to no end that union-pilots STILL have a job.

I dont know what pisses me off more......a$$ hole terrorists or a management hag that wishes pilots to be outta work.