On-duty controller during crash had 2 hours sleep before work

[linder]

Here in the airline world mechy, gear down is verified down every landing! See mechy, those little Cessnuts have gear that's already down. Maybe that's why you're so confused. Now, back to the GA message board with you!

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[Wankel7]

So, I am in uniform and step into the hotel elevator. A guy steps in to join me on this two floor ride.

He looks at me and says, "Well, at first I thought I had to worry about the pilots. Now , I know I should worry about the controllers"

I said, "Why is that?"

He said, "Well , you know what happened in Lexington...the controller had two hours of sleep?"

I said, "Well, there are many people that could have made a good decision there".

Anyways...what a tool

Wankel

 

[erj-145mech]

Woooooooooooeeeeeeeee! Boy, you better stick to those wrenches and leave the real world to us professional peelots, okkkkk???? Clueless you are.

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Hey shiite for brains, yes I have all that time in those aircraft in my logbook. The b-17 is N900RW, the B-25 is N333RW. Go look them up, when you're not playing on MS Flight Simulator. I worked on those aircraft at the museum. Its been several years since I flew an aircraft with fixed gear.

Yes, the gear is verified down, I do that too, but not by the ATC controller.

Now, go pre-flight your your commuter puddle jumper, raise the gear handle when the real pilot allows you to do so, and thank the mechanic for doing his job when they come up.

You are a prime reason for thread drift, ass wipe.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Negative, the controller issued a take off clearance, the crew accepted that clearance, and failed to follow that clearance. Its not the controllers job to check that the pilots are doing there job. Have you ever accepted a contact approach? Maintain visual separation?

Hey dipsh!t,
Explain to all of us what exactly do the controllers do as they are standing at the LC or GC position and transmit instructions to aircraft. Are they reading the newspaper? Controllers in the towers look out the windows, that's what they are there for. I am not saying this is the controllers fault here either. Contact approaches? Gave thousands, and accepted plenty. Maintained visual separation? Yep, gave out tens of thousands of those and have accepted thousands, so what?

 

[erj-145mech]

Hey, A$$ of the atmosphere, its like any other clearance, once the pilots accepts that clearance, the controllers out of the picture until another clearance or cancellation is issued. If you were issued a taxi and take off clearance to runway 22, and accepted it, and departed on 26, without clearance, who's fault is it? There was no conflicting ground traffic to monitor. Had Comair 5191 not accepted the clearance, then that would have been another story.

There will most probably be changes in ATC procedures as a result of this accident, but the accident is not a result of controller error. Get over it already.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Hey, A$$ of the atmosphere, its like any other clearance, once the pilots accepts that clearance, the controllers out of the picture until another clearance or cancellation is issued.

If you think for one second the controller is "out of the picture" once he makes his transmission, you have absolutely zero comprehension of how ATC works.

If you were issued a taxi and take off clearance to runway 22, and accepted it, and departed on 26, without clearance, who's fault is it?

That fault is the pilots. I am not disputing that at all if you read my last post. Your post insinuates the controllers say what they are supposed to say and look at the floor or somewhere else.
Are you, or have you ever been a controller? If so where and in what capacity? If not, STFU.

There was no conflicting ground traffic to monitor. Had Comair 5191 not accepted the clearance, then that would have been another story.

There will most probably be changes in ATC procedures as a result of this accident, but the accident is not a result of controller error.

Exactly what I said. I guess you can't read.


Get over it already.

You need to get over it.

 

[HoserASA]

Hey, A$$ of the atmosphere, its like any other clearance, once the pilots accepts that clearance, the controllers out of the picture until another clearance or cancellation is issued. If you were issued a taxi and take off clearance to runway 22, and accepted it, and departed on 26, without clearance, who's fault is it? There was no conflicting ground traffic to monitor. Had Comair 5191 not accepted the clearance, then that would have been another story.

There will most probably be changes in ATC procedures as a result of this accident, but the accident is not a result of controller error. Get over it already.

Geezzzzz, I give up.

Hoser

 

[ASARJMan]

I respect our professional ASA mechanics greatly jerk. But you, man, wouldn't last here at all with your superior knowledge of everything aviation. Ooooh weeee, you have b17 time logged, guess we're all supposed to be impressed? Commuter puddle jumper? That the best you got boy?

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[ASARJMan]

Geezzzzz, I give up.

Hoser

Don't blame you there Hoser. After all, Mr Mech knows everything about aviation, especiaaly ATC! Bet he's good at MS Simulator too!

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[Tram]

When was the last time you had to verify landing gear down and locked?

I hear that atleast 3 times a week..

 

[erj-145mech]

Don't blame you there Hoser. After all, Mr Mech knows everything about aviation, especiaaly ATC! Bet he's good at MS Simulator too!

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I don't own any computer games, other than the card games that came loaded on the software. I have sat at ZHU and IAH TRACONS stations for several hours, and know the drills. You brought up my experience level, and I qualified it. When is the last time that you sat at a Center sector, listened to how the ATC system works? Asked questions of the controller?

But now, since you are all knowing, tell us, why did 5191 take the wrong runway?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

So why do we even bother to have Ground and Local controllers up in a tower if they aren't expected to look out of the window? Why do we spend millions of tax payer dollars building huge Towers with panoramic views of the entire airport? Why don't we just stick them down in the TRACON building with everyone else if they have no responsibility to look outside?

I'm not blaming the controller for this, as he can't be expected to look outside every minute if he has a dozen other tasks he is responsible for at the same time. One more set of eyes in that tower very well could have prevented this....its as simple as that.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I don't own any computer games, other than the card games that came loaded on the software. I have sat at ZHU and IAH TRACONS stations for several hours, and know the drills. You brought up my experience level, and I qualified it. When is the last time that you sat at a Center sector, listened to how the ATC system works? Asked questions of the controller?

But now, since you are all knowing, tell us, why did 5191 take the wrong runway?

OH, so you're NOT a controller, you have 'sat at ZHU and IAH tracon stations for several hours and know the drills'. I guess that means for you, "I'm not a controller, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last nite" and are now 'qualified'. I have 18 yrs as an 'actual' controller, SAV, PBI and S56. That is MY experience as a controller. What exactly is yours? None? That makes you about as experienced as miles o' dipsh1t brien from CNN.

 

[linder]

So why do we even bother to have Ground and Local controllers up in a tower if they aren't expected to look out of the window? Why do we spend millions of tax payer dollars building huge Towers with panoramic views of the entire airport? Why don't we just stick them down in the TRACON building with everyone else if they have no responsibility to look outside?

I'm not blaming the controller for this, as he can't be expected to look outside every minute if he has a dozen other tasks he is responsible for at the same time. One more set of eyes in that tower very well could have prevented this....its as simple as that.

On another BB (the professional one where all the flightsim "pilots" can't go), a former controller posted that under the existing lighting conditions, even if the LEX controller had been looking directly at the airplane, there is no way to see for sure which runway the a/c was lined up on....until it was too far into the takeoff roll to prevent the accident.

 

[erj-145mech]

OH, so you're NOT a controller, you have 'sat at ZHU and IAH tracon stations for several hours and know the drills'. I guess that means for you, "I'm not a controller, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last nite" and are now 'qualified'. I have 18 yrs as an 'actual' controller, SAV, PBI and S56. That is MY experience as a controller. What exactly is yours? None? That makes you about as experienced as miles o' dipsh1t brien from CNN.

Since you're the expert (thats a former drip under pressure) A$$, why don't you review this:

For some really dry reading on controller responsibilities see:http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/CHP3.HTM

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Since you're the expert (thats a former drip under pressure) A$$, why don't you review this:

For some really dry reading on controller responsibilities see:http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/CHP3.HTM

Far more of an expert than you about ATC rest assured. It is amazing how you just keep digging a hole for your dipsh1t self.
Thanks for the link. Again, been there done that. Know what the .65 is dipshi1t?
As far as former goes, I chose to pursue flying. There was not a 'pressure' issue. Since you have absolutely no idea of mine or any other controllers abilities, it just shows how big a d1ckhead you are. Good job. Never made a mistake, is that what you said on another thread? Wow. I have made mistakes, so had everyone else on these boards. At least we admit it. Must be outstanding to be so perfect. Good luck!

 

[smellthejeta]

Actually, I hope the FAA takes it up the rear on this one and gets a ton of bad press. Hopefully, the ATC guys take some nasty press as well. The nastier the better.

You guys probably think I'm a dick, but as a future controller (not a wannabe, job offer is in hand) there is a huge staffing problem that the FAA refuses to admit. Heck, it took them awhile just to admit there was supposed to be two controllers up in the cab at LEX... and the lone guy had a whopping 8 hours off before heading into the overnight shift. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the FAA at first claim that the tower was properly staffed?

There will be more incidents like this (and possibly worse) if the FAA doesn't figure out they have a staffing issue with ATC. Since this tragic incident has already occurred, it may as well get spun in such a way that certain problems will get fixed.

P.S. The FAA just handed down a paycut of 30% to ATC'ers. I have run into no controller (on these boards or in person) who actually advises taking this job. If the advice from those already there is to run far, far away, how is this staffing problem going to be fixed?

 

[erj-145mech]

Far more of an expert than you about ATC rest assured. It is amazing how you just keep digging a hole for your dipsh1t self.
Thanks for the link. Again, been there done that. Know what the .65 is dipshi1t?
As far as former goes, I chose to pursue flying. There was not a 'pressure' issue. Since you have absolutely no idea of mine or any other controllers abilities, it just shows how big a d1ckhead you are. Good job. Never made a mistake, is that what you said on another thread? Wow. I have made mistakes, so had everyone else on these boards. At least we admit it. Must be outstanding to be so perfect. Good luck!

The bottom line is that the only ones to screw the pooch were the two in front of the cockpit door. You can't change that with your tirade and your "experience" as a has been controller. The local controller did not fail to follow extablished procedures.

 

[ASARJMan]

The bottom line is that the only ones to screw the pooch were the two in front of the cockpit door. You can't change that with your tirade and your "experience" as a has been controller. The local controller did not fail to follow extablished procedures.

Look here loser, back to turning wrenches with you. The pilots screwed the pooch, we've all said that. But the controller wasn't doing his job either, due to manning, rest, and too many additional duties at that hour at that airport, and confusing taxiways at LEX, and additional factors which the NTSB will find. You're such an expert monkey wrench, why don't you contact the NTSB and enrich them with your superior knowledge of everything aviation, especially ATC procedures.

There have been numerous "has-been" controllers come on here and try to explain controller responsibilities, but no, you've sat and watched controllers, so you're now the ATC expert, and won't listen to reason. No wonder you're just a monkey wrench!

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[ATR-DRIVR]

The bottom line is that the only ones to screw the pooch were the two in front of the cockpit door. You can't change that with your tirade and your "experience" as a has been controller. The local controller did not fail to follow extablished procedures.

Hope you are satisfied with your "Final Report on the Crash of Flt 5191" For the rest of us we will wait for a more thorough investigation from the real experts. Again, let me correct false and misleading statements by you.
There is no "bottom line" to this accident. Many links in the chain as is with all accidents. You seem to think or come to the conclusion that my career with ATC was not up to your expectations. Sorry 'bout that. I am also sorry you were not up to the rigors of the job like the fine men and women who worked with me. Sorry you were not selected. Also not worried about your opinion about my career either, LOL.

You are a total and complete disgrace to the many flying professionals by the first sentence in your post. I feel terribly sorry for anyone who has to sit next to you in an airplane and worse for anyone behind the cockpit door.