On-duty controller during crash had 2 hours sleep before work

[Morning Wood]

ATC is supposed to visually verify the aircraft's location on the airport every time an instruction is given. Or at least that's what I was taught when I went through ATC school in the military.

Not doubting what you said, but how is that possible at airports with signs that say "ATC Non Vis Area"?

 

[scarlet]

ATC definition is to separate aircraft=NOT FLY IT !!

STOP blaming the controller, that is what the media wants us to do! What he did was legal and he indeed made sure that Comair was cleared for T.O. as far as landing traffic and once airborne.

There are numbers on the runway!!! REMEMBER we fly more with our HEADS than we do with our FEET and HANDS...

 

[HoserASA]

ATC definition is to separate aircraft=NOT FLY IT !!
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A controller's duty is to separate planes, and to ensure proper aircraft movement on the ground by proper taxi instructions and by watching his/her traffic. This controller was functioning as ground and local controller, so he should have not "turned his back" to this flight. The crew is ultimately responsible for this mishap, no one is arguing that, and made a tragic mistake. Read the comments here from former/retired controllers. They all say what I just wrote. You watch your traffic, period. If he had done this at LEX, maybe, just maybe, this accident could have been prevented. That is all we're all saying. Fly safe!

Hoser

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

The Hose-man is totally accurate on this one. A local controller who does not watch the traffic is not doing their job. Ground control also for that matter. Been there, done that, just like Hoser.

 

[81Horse]

A controller might feel that a regular operator's flightcrew was familiar with the airport and current taxiway/runway projects. A fatigued controller, distracted by too many other duties, operating solo, might not be babysitting each departure. I'm sure the man is devastated, because no matter what the extenuating circumstances were, he will feel he missed the last chance to prevent a tragedy.

The flightcrew missed their chances to do the same. (Okay, a show of hands: how many of you were always crosschecking your runway heading on takeoff? And I mean before this disaster.)

I think we are going to find out some unpleasant facts about signage, markings, lights, etc.

 

[erj-145mech]

The Hose-man is totally accurate on this one. A local controller who does not watch the traffic is not doing their job. Ground control also for that matter. Been there, done that, just like Hoser.

Negative, the controller issued a take off clearance, the crew accepted that clearance, and failed to follow that clearance. Its not the controllers job to check that the pilots are doing there job. Have you ever accepted a contact approach? Maintain visual separation?

 

[erj-145mech]

ATC is supposed to visually verify the aircraft's location on the airport every time an instruction is given. Or at least that's what I was taught when I went through ATC school in the military.

Thats one of the differences between mil and civ ATC. When was the last time you had to verify landing gear down and locked?

 

[ASARJMan]

Negative, the controller issued a take off clearance, the crew accepted that clearance, and failed to follow that clearance. Its not the controllers job to check that the pilots are doing there job. Have you ever accepted a contact approach? Maintain visual separation?

Woooooooooooeeeeeeeee! Boy, you better stick to those wrenches and leave the real world to us professional peelots, okkkkk???? Clueless you are.

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[ASARJMan]

Thats one of the differences between mil and civ ATC. When was the last time you had to verify landing gear down and locked?

are them the planes you've worked on mechy, or are we supposed to believe you flew them, or went for a ride in some/all of them?

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[ASARJMan]

Thats one of the differences between mil and civ ATC. When was the last time you had to verify landing gear down and locked?

Here in the airline world mechy, gear down is verified down every landing! See mechy, those little Cessnuts have gear that's already down. Maybe that's why you're so confused. Now, back to the GA message board with you!

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[linder]

Here in the airline world mechy, gear down is verified down every landing! See mechy, those little Cessnuts have gear that's already down. Maybe that's why you're so confused. Now, back to the GA message board with you!

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[Wankel7]

So, I am in uniform and step into the hotel elevator. A guy steps in to join me on this two floor ride.

He looks at me and says, "Well, at first I thought I had to worry about the pilots. Now , I know I should worry about the controllers"

I said, "Why is that?"

He said, "Well , you know what happened in Lexington...the controller had two hours of sleep?"

I said, "Well, there are many people that could have made a good decision there".

Anyways...what a tool

Wankel

 

[erj-145mech]

Woooooooooooeeeeeeeee! Boy, you better stick to those wrenches and leave the real world to us professional peelots, okkkkk???? Clueless you are.

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Hey shiite for brains, yes I have all that time in those aircraft in my logbook. The b-17 is N900RW, the B-25 is N333RW. Go look them up, when you're not playing on MS Flight Simulator. I worked on those aircraft at the museum. Its been several years since I flew an aircraft with fixed gear.

Yes, the gear is verified down, I do that too, but not by the ATC controller.

Now, go pre-flight your your commuter puddle jumper, raise the gear handle when the real pilot allows you to do so, and thank the mechanic for doing his job when they come up.

You are a prime reason for thread drift, ass wipe.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Negative, the controller issued a take off clearance, the crew accepted that clearance, and failed to follow that clearance. Its not the controllers job to check that the pilots are doing there job. Have you ever accepted a contact approach? Maintain visual separation?

Hey dipsh!t,
Explain to all of us what exactly do the controllers do as they are standing at the LC or GC position and transmit instructions to aircraft. Are they reading the newspaper? Controllers in the towers look out the windows, that's what they are there for. I am not saying this is the controllers fault here either. Contact approaches? Gave thousands, and accepted plenty. Maintained visual separation? Yep, gave out tens of thousands of those and have accepted thousands, so what?

 

[erj-145mech]

Hey, A$$ of the atmosphere, its like any other clearance, once the pilots accepts that clearance, the controllers out of the picture until another clearance or cancellation is issued. If you were issued a taxi and take off clearance to runway 22, and accepted it, and departed on 26, without clearance, who's fault is it? There was no conflicting ground traffic to monitor. Had Comair 5191 not accepted the clearance, then that would have been another story.

There will most probably be changes in ATC procedures as a result of this accident, but the accident is not a result of controller error. Get over it already.