Oliver Paul Reason Jr. Drunk & Fired

[whoknows]

It's about how one of our own was hung out to dry by the powers that be. Doesn't anyone else feel that he deserved a more private handling of the circumstances? Would you like for your wife to have to watch it on the evening news or have to explain it to all your friends even before you are allowed to post bond? He was charged with something there wasn't even a statute against. The charges were dropped because the law didn't even exist. Come on.

What?!!!

Really don't care that his wife found out he showed up drunk for work on the evening news. What I do care about is that MY WIFE could have been in the back of the jet he was suppose to command ! You're correct sounds like Nevada laws has provided a loop-hole, but there is an FAR or maybe a company rule that says is is not ok to show up DRUNK to fly a jet.

I support any man or woman that has the courage to get control of thier problem and I am happy to send my union dues money and other aid to show that support. However, when that pilot shows up to fly a jet drunk that is it game over you lose so my family and my airline doesn't.

 

[NEDude]

I don't care about the gender card or whose credentials are right.

The fact is we in this industry are held to a higer standard than the general public. It is one thing to show up to the office half-baked, nobody is going to get hurt. But anyone in a safety related position has to be held to a higher standard.

You can debate all day long as to whether he was mistreated by the media and in the public. You know what, it is not going to change things. Remember the public crucifiing that Northwest crew received back in the late 80's/early 90's. They even ran stories about it on Dateline NBC years later. The America West crew was all over the news, even a few years later when they went to trial. Anyone who claims that they don't realize that if they show up at the airport hung over they will be crucified on national tv is just plain ignorant. Normal people learn from their own mistakes, smart ones learn from other peoples mistakes. If you aren't smart enough to have figured it out by now, I don't think you are smart enough to be in this profession. Your friend gave this industry a major black eye that all of us have to deal with.

I do hope your friend has gotten the help he needs and has turned things around. If he truly is better, than maybe someday he can get in the cockpit again. But sometimes you do have to live with the consequences of your actions.

 

[Dennis Miller]

I am not a disadvantage female. I earned my seat. No one gave it to me.

Regrettably for you, that is an avowal that you can by no means claim.

You know what I want? I want to live in a world where women are allowed to fail as badly as men and then get a better job and a raise just like men. And I’m hoping you’ll remember that I said that and I was always on your side ‘cause I don’t wanna be hurt in the coming revolution.

And by the way, don’t you all look sexy in your little uniforms?

Of course, that’s just my wife’s opinion. I could be wrong.

 

[El-Rushbo]

I got my wings in the USAF, flew in 2 conflicts, didn't get my seat from anything that you suggest with your comment. I give, seems like you guys are operating off the same brain cell, would hate for you to strain it.

Lt. Flynn ?????

 

[Occam's Razor]

gadawgsjetgirl,

You think this is bad? You should see how we treat gay black dwarf Democrats! You're getting off easy.

Speaking of getting off...got any video?

I keed!

 

[mnboyev]

Chicks cant fly ... Some Women are great aviators... but.. Chicks cant fly.

 

[Guitar rocker]

When it comes to alcohol, driving or flying, we are always guilty until proven innocent.

 

[LJDRVR]

gadawgsjetgirl

Come on LIAR. Fess up!

It comes as no suprise that the one person one here taking a loose approach with one of the most fundamental rules of our (not yours) profession also takes a loose approach with the truth.

We've seen this before. Person comes on the board with false credentials and takes an unusual stance. When called on it, the person, lacking any ability, percieved credibility or desire to make a real argument, feels it necesary to invent some clever retort. ("I earned my wings in the USAF." or how about that other turd that said something about being "busy dropping bombs on Bagdad in my F-16")

Why the lies? Do you really think you're going to fool the people that populate this board? Even the talented ones eventually get caught. (350Driver)

So, I'm still waiting for an explanation sister, have you got the integrity to attempt one? Of course not.

I didn't "earn my wings" in the USAF, but you've got to do a lot better than that to fool this Staff Sergeant.

LIAR!

 

[49W]

Lt. Flynn ?????

She went to UPS I think.

 

[Dane Bramage]

Two little words...

...responsibility...accountability.

In the case of your friend, he was lacking in both areas. Of course, this is epidemic in the U.S. today. Everyone blames someone else. Everyone sues someone when they have done something incredibly stupid to themselves.

I agree that privacy in situations like this would be "nice," but the lack thereof is one of the key elements in a true democracy.

Bottom line: No one injected your buddy with alcohol and forced him to the airport at gunpoint. He had total control over this whole situation, but failed to heed the first two words of this post.

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the guy's fellow crewmembers. Let this be a lesson to every REAL pilot on this forum: NEVER let a fellow crewmember leave the hotel if you know or suspect he's drunk or over .04 BAC. That is YOUR responsibility! Take the delay...you will have a lifelong friend who will thank you forever.

 

[AC560]

So, active duty, followed by ASA, followed by Air Tran? Again, the whole thing doesn't quite add up.

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

 

[81Horse]

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

Hunh. Only if they're not good enough for Southwest.

 

[LJDRVR]

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

That's not what I meant, Sir. You are joking right? (Sarcasm doesn't come across on the internet very well.)

 

[SpeedBird]

You're a disgrace to the pilot profession.......

Talk about your classic Pot calling the Kettle black! Ms. Morrisette should have added an extra stanza just for you to her hit "Isn't It Ironic."

I guess your sorry excuse for a life is a direct result of monkeys and pigs copulating.

Everyone else, my apologies for hijacking the thread, but I needed to update my bean count for "tool smackdown" and Dave S. is this month's poster child.

 

[AC560]

That's not what I meant, Sir. You are joking right? (Sarcasm doesn't come across on the internet very well.)

Of course I am joking, we all know that ex-Military go directly to the left seat at FedEx!

 

[ohplease!]

P.S. Another thing, I have known Paul from his ASA days. And was glad to cross his path while flying for Air Tran. And as a woman in the field, I have had to overcome smart _ _ _ comments like that sandwich thing all of my career. And you know what? It just shows how mature you are. And I have met the wives of the guys who said things like that to me in the workplace and it was usually those mens wives who actually wore the pants in the family. Not intimidated by that comment. Feel sorry for you.

If you really knew Paul, you'd know Paul didn't work for ASA. His first stop was Eastern Metro. Then a couple other "commuters" and then ValueJet. If you were the wonderful "friend" you claim to be, you would know that he is passing time working on GA planes (at least as of the last time I spoke with him a couple months ago). He is still hoping to get back to flying.

He would tell you himself, as he told me, "he screwed up". No ifs And's or but's about it. Aside from the financial disaster this has caused him, it may well have been a blessing in disguise. It has forced him to face the fact that he has a problem. I truly hope he is able to control it and come back. I believe he can.

This is not a new problem. Paul has a LONG history of DUI's dating back to our H.S. days. As sick as I felt when I heard his name on the Atlanta evening news, Paul made the bad decision to show to work under the influence. He was barely over the limit as I understand it but, still over. He was NOT going to remove himself. So, don't even try that one.

P.S. I heard last week that things may not be going so well for him at home. I have not spoken to him so, I don't know that to be accurate. I hope its not!

PSS you really need to get that HUGE chip off your shoulder....and get your azz back in the kitchen!

 

[Sig]

Sounds like he had a problematic history with operating machines under the influence. Part of the blessing in disguise is that he didn't take a bunch of unwitting folks with him into a smoking hole.

Contrition is one thing- getting help is another. I hope he gets better, for his and his family's sake.

 

[81Horse]

Thanks for the straight story, ohplease. Guess we can put this thread back to sleep now.

 

[ohplease!]

Thanks for the straight story, ohplease. Guess we can put this thread back to sleep now.

I sure hope so.

 

[ivauir]

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If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the guy's fellow crewmembers. Let this be a lesson to every REAL pilot on this forum: NEVER let a fellow crewmember leave the hotel if you know or suspect he's drunk or over .04 BAC. That is YOUR responsibility! Take the delay...you will have a lifelong friend who will thank you forever.

You may NOT end up with a life long friend ... but you sure as heck will have done the right thing.