Oliver Paul Reason Jr. Drunk & Fired

[AC560]

So, active duty, followed by ASA, followed by Air Tran? Again, the whole thing doesn't quite add up.

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

 

[81Horse]

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

Hunh. Only if they're not good enough for Southwest.

 

[LJDRVR]

No kidding, anyone who reads this board knows that FedEx hands any ex-military pilot the right seat as soon as they muster out.

That's not what I meant, Sir. You are joking right? (Sarcasm doesn't come across on the internet very well.)

 

[SpeedBird]

You're a disgrace to the pilot profession.......

Talk about your classic Pot calling the Kettle black! Ms. Morrisette should have added an extra stanza just for you to her hit "Isn't It Ironic."

I guess your sorry excuse for a life is a direct result of monkeys and pigs copulating.

Everyone else, my apologies for hijacking the thread, but I needed to update my bean count for "tool smackdown" and Dave S. is this month's poster child.

 

[AC560]

That's not what I meant, Sir. You are joking right? (Sarcasm doesn't come across on the internet very well.)

Of course I am joking, we all know that ex-Military go directly to the left seat at FedEx!

 

[ohplease!]

P.S. Another thing, I have known Paul from his ASA days. And was glad to cross his path while flying for Air Tran. And as a woman in the field, I have had to overcome smart _ _ _ comments like that sandwich thing all of my career. And you know what? It just shows how mature you are. And I have met the wives of the guys who said things like that to me in the workplace and it was usually those mens wives who actually wore the pants in the family. Not intimidated by that comment. Feel sorry for you.

If you really knew Paul, you'd know Paul didn't work for ASA. His first stop was Eastern Metro. Then a couple other "commuters" and then ValueJet. If you were the wonderful "friend" you claim to be, you would know that he is passing time working on GA planes (at least as of the last time I spoke with him a couple months ago). He is still hoping to get back to flying.

He would tell you himself, as he told me, "he screwed up". No ifs And's or but's about it. Aside from the financial disaster this has caused him, it may well have been a blessing in disguise. It has forced him to face the fact that he has a problem. I truly hope he is able to control it and come back. I believe he can.

This is not a new problem. Paul has a LONG history of DUI's dating back to our H.S. days. As sick as I felt when I heard his name on the Atlanta evening news, Paul made the bad decision to show to work under the influence. He was barely over the limit as I understand it but, still over. He was NOT going to remove himself. So, don't even try that one.

P.S. I heard last week that things may not be going so well for him at home. I have not spoken to him so, I don't know that to be accurate. I hope its not!

PSS you really need to get that HUGE chip off your shoulder....and get your azz back in the kitchen!

 

[Sig]

Sounds like he had a problematic history with operating machines under the influence. Part of the blessing in disguise is that he didn't take a bunch of unwitting folks with him into a smoking hole.

Contrition is one thing- getting help is another. I hope he gets better, for his and his family's sake.

 

[81Horse]

Thanks for the straight story, ohplease. Guess we can put this thread back to sleep now.

 

[ohplease!]

Thanks for the straight story, ohplease. Guess we can put this thread back to sleep now.

I sure hope so.

 

[ivauir]

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If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the guy's fellow crewmembers. Let this be a lesson to every REAL pilot on this forum: NEVER let a fellow crewmember leave the hotel if you know or suspect he's drunk or over .04 BAC. That is YOUR responsibility! Take the delay...you will have a lifelong friend who will thank you forever.

You may NOT end up with a life long friend ... but you sure as heck will have done the right thing.

 

[SupaFly]

OK, here's a stupid questions from some one not in the industry...

Let's say you over-indulge on a layover, wake up and realize that either a) you're in no shape to get in the cockpit with a bunch of paying customers in the back, or b) you probably could hack it, but the look on your face and stench in your breath would make any gate agent cringe. What are the implications of taking yourself out by calling in sick? Do some carriers have "mulligans"? I know that it's far better to make the hard call and take the consequences, and I think that most carriers would like an atmosphere where it's better to to pull yourself out than risk this type of media blitz. Anyone care to shed some light?

 

[Blucher]

Wanna Dance?

"Like my old Irish granny used to say: if you want to dance, you've got to pay the piper!"
Simply put, anyone can make a bad decision on any given day. The question is how will you handle your next decision? Will you make it worse? I don't think any airline out there has "mulligans" in a situation like this. This is just one of those areas in aviation where there ain't a whole lot of room for gray areas. Although one would never guess it by how we're molested at the security check points, pilots actually are held to a "higher" standard. This is just one of those areas we can't mess around with. I'm sure there's an after school special in there somewhere.

-Blucher

 

[Boeingman]

All that shut her trap up fairly quick.

 

[LJDRVR]

All that shut her trap up fairly quick.

Yep, She's a lying piece of excrement. Since her overly defensive fiction on Sunday, she's been back twice, yesterday morning and today at lunch. Not a peep from her. Looks like she didn't really "Earn her wings in the USAF" or "Fly in two conflicts". But then again, we already knew that, didn't we?

 

[Boeingman]

Yep, She's a lying piece of excrement. Since her overly defensive fiction on Sunday, she's been back twice, yesterday morning and today at lunch. Not a peep from her. Looks like she didn't really "Earn her wings in the USAF" or "Fly in two conflicts". But then again, we already knew that, didn't we?

She must be back on her meds or was recaptured and put back in the rubber room. Or, maybe her husband took her computer away and put her back to work in the house.

 

[CA1900]

Speaking of lying pieces of excrement:

gadawgsjetgirl
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Lady, if you're going to lie to us, at least be consistent about it. If you "earned your wings" in the military, why did you put "Civilian" in your profile? If you're going to create a fabricated life, you need to think it through first.

And I'm getting a little hungry for a sammich myself.

 

[81Horse]

What's a BE27?

 

[Av8rPHX]

gadawgsjetgirl, I'll take a cold Hefeweizen please.

 

[CA1900]

Hmmm... something just occurred to me.

gadawgsjetgirl

gadawgsjetgirl

Dawg's Girl


Dog's Girl... What's another word for that? I can't quite put it together...

 

[jetalc]

Have a little fun on the next trip you don't want to fly. Swagger and stagger your way thru the TSA's crack team of "profilers", enroute to the gate. I know, I know...... who could possibly deceive this fortress of security masterminds ???

I can't stop laughing...:laugh:

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

OK, here's a stupid questions from some one not in the industry...

Let's say you over-indulge on a layover, wake up and realize that either a) you're in no shape to get in the cockpit with a bunch of paying customers in the back, or b) you probably could hack it, but the look on your face and stench in your breath would make any gate agent cringe. What are the implications of taking yourself out by calling in sick? Do some carriers have "mulligans"? I know that it's far better to make the hard call and take the consequences, and I think that most carriers would like an atmosphere where it's better to to pull yourself out than risk this type of media blitz. Anyone care to shed some light?

The same thing would happen as if you had called in sick with the flu or with a sprained ankle. Most places have sick leave and it gets deducted from your sick bank. It would be a non-issue. If the guy called in drunk and said "i'm too drunk to fly, take me off the flight" he might have some issues. But if he called in and said "I am not feeling fit to fly." then it would not have gone any farther.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Many states are passing laws making it illegal to impersonate military personnel.

Great job to LJRDriver in calling the FA out. Female mil pilots do not take her purported career track and only accrue 3000 hours.

Kelly Flynn is at UPS and is doing well. SHe paid her penance and has moved on. Fogelman was an arse anyway!

 

[Whale Rider]

Another Dumb A$$ bites the dust!

 

[jetfo]

Have a little fun on the next trip you don't want to fly. Swagger and stagger your way thru the TSA's crack team of "profilers", enroute to the gate. I know, I know...... who could possibly deceive this fortress of security masterminds ???

I do that now anyway, but an interesting idea for time off.

 

[jetfo]

Hey, I know Paul! In his defense I'd just like to say he's not a "bad seed". He's always been a good hard working guy that has in the past stood up for pilots in our own union in an effort to make things better for all of us. Yes he screwed up. But believe me, when a guy has a Wife and kids, as Paul does, he doesn't need any reminders.

He has made a mess of what most people would consider great life and career. After ten spotless years with the company he stumbled. As tragic as this is for him and his family, we as pilots can at least learn from it.

In one sense, your quote is well taken. As of late, this kind of thing is happening far to often in our industry when a simple phone call can nip it in the bud. There gunnin for us boys, please be carefull out there and save us all the embarrassment.


CALL IN SICK!!! It's that simple.

Not that I am advocating drinking and flying, but the mere accusation can be damaging. So if in doubt call in sick. Don't talk to those TSA rent-a-cops and provide them with any ammunition.

Had this guy not been a FFDO, he probably would have gone through security unnoticed. The TSA people are no doubt yealous and will take any opportunity to nail one of us if we give them the chance.

It is ironic that events that have impacted our industry and caused us all greater stress and worry have likely contributed to the increassed drinking by flight crew members.

 

[jetfo]

You know reading all the threads, its a shame that we are all so quick to judge. Any other field, it wouldn't have been front page or national headline news. He would have been taken aside and sent for help. But we instead crucify him in the news and within our precious little circle. Instead we should (Air Tran) should have helped him to get help and to salvage his life and career. I know this guy. He's a good man. A family man. We should be thinking "but for the grace of God, go I..." So think about that when you condemn him. Who among us is worthy to judge?

Ditto:
Some compassion would be appropriate. While his judgement and conduct were highly flawed, he should be given the opportunity to seek treatment if that is approriate and perhaps after a time given the opportunity at a non flying position such as a sim instructor.

As I recall, the Fargo NW captain was eventually reinstated after rehab and a prison term. It was a long road back, but he was given a chance with the help of ALPA.