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scubabri

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I'm looking at the first, second, third year pay at the regionals. What is driving guys to put up with this? I mean, sheesh, sitting on reserve for 2-3 years, upgrades in 5 years?

Maybe my expectations are a little higher, but I don't get it. Every time I think about going to a regional, it makes my stomach turn, maybe it's because I'm older and I couldn't put up with it for that long.

Is there something I'm missing?

sb
 
Right On mark!

Nope, your like me and how many others in aviation are starting to feel and say...not me, I am not goig to prostitute myself out for stupid Walmart pay...then new pilot, aviator pipe-line has ben full for years with young guns willing to work for anything to fly a jet, but they are starting to get more educated through web sites like this and are learning that their flight school promises were pretty empty, and the 6 figure glory days are all but gone...at least for 4 to 5 years...

Also more are learning that the regional carriers are much more likely to be a career stop, than a stepping stone, things are a changing. The more people refuse to work for pathetic wages the harder it will be for airlines to fill new positions...of course thi trend has a long way to go to make a real impact on hiring....we all need to spread the word....Dispatchers included.
 
90K yearly, 15 days off, nice equipment, no stress when I check out at the end of the day. It's not perfect, it's not the majors, but it's close enough. Definitely better than any other job I might have taken. :)
 
Nindiri said:
90K yearly, 15 days off, nice equipment, no stress when I check out at the end of the day. It's not perfect, it's not the majors, but it's close enough. Definitely better than any other job I might have taken. :)
You're obviously not on first, second or third year pay as the original post said...
 
a-v-8er said:
You're obviously not on first, second or third year pay as the original post said...
0bviously! .Please let us in on your good deal. $, time off AND good equipment? Impossible.
 
I am at the 10 year mark. I make 79.34 per hour. By next June, I will be at 85.47. . I broke the 100,000 mark around the first of Nov. I do fly open time when I can. I probably made an extra 15,000 or so by doing that. We get time and a half for open time.

My wife is a little upset because I bid and got the 25th-31st off this month and then picked up a 4 day on the 26th. I will make over 2500.00 for that trip. I plan on buying a new tool.
 
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I'm looking at the first, second, third year pay at the regionals. What is driving guys to put up with this? I mean, sheesh, sitting on reserve for 2-3 years, upgrades in 5 years?

Maybe my expectations are a little higher, but I don't get it. Every time I think about going to a regional, it makes my stomach turn, maybe it's because I'm older and I couldn't put up with it for that long.

Is there something I'm missing?
Just to get the thread back on track, It is all kind of relative. A mindset, if you will. During the early to mid 90s it was quite common for guys to be in the right seat for a quite few years. Now we are just coming back into that environment. The go-go days of fast upgrades from the late 90s and early 2000s are ending. Personally I wouldn't want to do it. I'd be looking at corporate as a career if I were in your shoes.

Typhoonpilot
 
Oh yea, another thing. Guys like the ones here who brag about picking up overtime are keeping the senior F.O.s from upgrades. Greed, ya just got to love it :rolleyes: .

TP
 
typhoonpilot said:
Oh yea, another thing. Guys like the ones here who brag about picking up overtime are keeping the senior F.O.s from upgrades. Greed, ya just got to love it :rolleyes: .

TP
Yes oh wise triple 7 one! But what one man sees as greed another sees as opportunity!
 
exm3585 said:
My wife is a little upset because I bid and got the 25th-31st off this month and then picked up a 4 day on the 26th. I will make over 2500.00 for that trip. I plan on buying a new tool.
If you were home more she wouldn't need that new "tool".
 
Nindiri said:
90K yearly, 15 days off, nice equipment, no stress when I check out at the end of the day. It's not perfect, it's not the majors, but it's close enough. Definitely better than any other job I might have taken. :)
And by the time you reach this level, you have to retire in another year. Are we a 30yr Captain at a regional?
 
typhoonpilot said:
Oh yea, another thing. Guys like the ones here who brag about picking up overtime are keeping the senior F.O.s from upgrades. Greed, ya just got to love it :rolleyes: .

TP
If guys don't pick up open time for premium pay then scheduling just assigns the trips to reserve pilots so get off your high horse. Most senior FO's at Mesaba keep bypassing the upgrades anyway and they are making more $$ than our Metro Captains made when I was a new hire. FO pay has done nothing but gone up and up and up. If you have so much heartburn about FO pay then don't take the job. I just love these guys who take the job knowing darn well what the pay is and then do nothing but bitoh about it. Look in the mirror and you will see who the sellout is.
 
If guys don't pick up open time for premium pay then scheduling just assigns the trips to reserve pilots so get off your high horse.
OKay, I'll re-phrase, lineholders who pick up overtime are screwing the junior captains out of breaking guarantee :p . At least in your example. Any way you look at it, flying overtime hurts somebody. The only time that it is acceptable is when an airline is growing so fast they can't keep up with the training requirements and they need some help for a defined period of time.

The reason this is a real hot button issue with me is that I was kept on furlough for many more years than necessary due to senior pilots exceeding the contractual maximum limit. When you see it from that end for a few years you would have my exact same feelings.

Typhoonpilot
 
scubabri said:
I'm looking at the first, second, third year pay at the regionals. What is driving guys to put up with this? I mean, sheesh, sitting on reserve for 2-3 years, upgrades in 5 years?

Maybe my expectations are a little higher, but I don't get it. Every time I think about going to a regional, it makes my stomach turn, maybe it's because I'm older and I couldn't put up with it for that long.

Is there something I'm missing?

sb
What's driving this? People will do anything to call themselves an airline pilot, including working for LESS than Wal-Mart wages. Yep, give them a jet and 30 years of substandard wages and some people will do anything, especially if they can announce in the bar that they are pilots. i.e., a Comair pilot who says he flies for Delta. (not all, but a lot)

Look at Comair. Everyone is so giddy about them being a major right now. Big deal, the W2's are still reflecting wages that are lower than the guy driving the Wonder Bread truck. Those guys/gals are professionals, they should be and they should be paid as such, but they aren't.

Sure, some will make close to 90K in a year, but it's going to take them at least a decade of surviving on food stamps to finally get there. And when you add up how much it costs one to get to that point (time, money, effort) most are lucky to even break even.

Ever wonder about this: the worse this industry gets, the more the enrollment at schools like ERAU. This is the only industry that DOES NOT lose people as the wages go down. How many doctors would still put themselves through medical school and residency if the promise at the end was to make less than 40K/yr and be gone most of the month? Oh yeah, and after spending (borrowing) a lot of money to go to school. Answer: not a whole lot!

Years ago, this was a stepping stone to bigger and better things. Now, it's a career for a lot of folks out there. The unions need to step forward and bring wages back up to professional levels. Quit settling for 90K as a 20-year Captain and demand it as a 4th year FO. Are people willing to wh*re themselves out to do it lower? Well, ever hear of a scab list? Do it!

This industry has lost a lot of respect, and nobody is doing anything to get it back.
 

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