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Tim47SIP
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Comair's fate!
I cant help but wonder what Comairs future holds. I cant believe that Delta will dismantle the airline piece by piece as it is a viable entity. Heck, it had one of the lowest CASM's in the industry, lower than ASA. Comair is definitely worth something. Maybe Delta plans on keeping Comair in the Delta family for good in which case the pilots should do whatever it takes to repair the damages set with the Mainline guys. Whatever happens to them, I wish them luck.
I cant help but wonder what Comairs future holds. I cant believe that Delta will dismantle the airline piece by piece as it is a viable entity. Heck, it had one of the lowest CASM's in the industry, lower than ASA. Comair is definitely worth something. Maybe Delta plans on keeping Comair in the Delta family for good in which case the pilots should do whatever it takes to repair the damages set with the Mainline guys. Whatever happens to them, I wish them luck.
Looking forward
There are a couple of potential pitfalls with furloughs. Comair has very little experience with furloughs so we can expect some missteps.
#1. What are the seniority numbers of the two first-officer representatives? If they are slated to be furloughed the MEC may begin to show signs of disunity, disorganization, and confusion.
#2. The pilot-group at large will experience large swings in relative seniority. For example, Captains will downgrade to F/Os. Lineholders will fall back on reserve. People who had expected to be able to hold holidays or weekends off, may find themselves back on less desirable schedules. This will fracture the pilot group.
#3. The pilots scheduled to be furloughed will be looking towards their elected leadership to try and find solutions. The leadership will not be likely to offer much in the way of help. Hopefully they'll have a job-fair, invite other airline recruiters, along with local non-aviation company recruiters. I would also hope they would hire a furlough administrator who will staff a committee to answer phones for several weeks before and following scheduled furloughs to answer questions regarding unemployment, pass-benefits, severence, 401K, etc.
Furloughs are a weapon. Regardless of whether or not Fast Freddy has any intention of downsizing the airline long-term, this single event will fragment the pilot group.
Being prepared for what is to come is time well spent. Hopefully your union leadership will call for a special MEC meeting following Fred's "announcement" in order to answer questions and share information.
Just as the strike tested some of you, so too will this event. Thousands of airline pilots have been furloughed since 09/11. They have survived. Some stayed in aviation. Others have found other paths. You will rise to the challenge as they have.
Best of luck to all of you.
There are a couple of potential pitfalls with furloughs. Comair has very little experience with furloughs so we can expect some missteps.
#1. What are the seniority numbers of the two first-officer representatives? If they are slated to be furloughed the MEC may begin to show signs of disunity, disorganization, and confusion.
#2. The pilot-group at large will experience large swings in relative seniority. For example, Captains will downgrade to F/Os. Lineholders will fall back on reserve. People who had expected to be able to hold holidays or weekends off, may find themselves back on less desirable schedules. This will fracture the pilot group.
#3. The pilots scheduled to be furloughed will be looking towards their elected leadership to try and find solutions. The leadership will not be likely to offer much in the way of help. Hopefully they'll have a job-fair, invite other airline recruiters, along with local non-aviation company recruiters. I would also hope they would hire a furlough administrator who will staff a committee to answer phones for several weeks before and following scheduled furloughs to answer questions regarding unemployment, pass-benefits, severence, 401K, etc.
Furloughs are a weapon. Regardless of whether or not Fast Freddy has any intention of downsizing the airline long-term, this single event will fragment the pilot group.
Being prepared for what is to come is time well spent. Hopefully your union leadership will call for a special MEC meeting following Fred's "announcement" in order to answer questions and share information.
Just as the strike tested some of you, so too will this event. Thousands of airline pilots have been furloughed since 09/11. They have survived. Some stayed in aviation. Others have found other paths. You will rise to the challenge as they have.
Best of luck to all of you.
Tim47SIP said:
I'll take a stab at it, and this isn't intended as flame.
Disclaimer, this is pure speculation, like most everything else on this forum.
DAL will use the BK process to lower CMR's pay, benefits and scheduling to the stone age, just like they intend to do with the mainline.
CMR will dump a large number of their junk CRJ200s. This will lead to significant furloughs.
DAL then plans on introducing a significant number of E series jets on the CMR property. Unfortunately they will be flown for significantly less than the CRJ200 rates CMR is currently enjoying.
Once CMR is fattened up with these shiny new jets, being flown at "bottom of the industry" pay rates by new enthusiastic pilots from the pilot puppy mill of choice, CMR will be spun off.
Just a side note, I was looking at Dec schedules for Delta (for commuting reasons) and noticed some very large downsizing. So if you commute, and aren't furloughed, things could still be tough just to get to work.
PS....Seems 70's taking over 50's routes.....or downsizing to 70
PS....Seems 70's taking over 50's routes.....or downsizing to 70
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oh i see you have time on your hands while i sit here in the bowels of africa contemplating whether or not i will have this great low paying regional job to go back to, well get me some real info because i think 250 is my magic #, i swear im going to law school and im going to marry that rich chick, because this is getting silly....when are you coming back to NY ...i see seattle didn't make the playoffsssssss, anyway, keep in touch or pm me and i will give you my desert email so we can correspond secure....
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smarc130 said:
Hey, the fact you can even get onto FLightinfo is better than the last hell hold I was in.....ok, maybe not for a month and I did actually get into Africa on my last trip...........you did send your desert email, I'll shoot one to you with info.....fly safe
PS Oh, about Seattle and the playoffs, I think we're lucky that they can even find their way to Safeco field every game...I think its a "rebuilding decade"
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Keep in mind, when mother delta is done with it's cuts, even mainline will have a tough time considering themselves "MEN" I believe their wages/benefits will be considered little boys......we can all wait in the unemployement line for our weekly check together....even then, everyone will still love to point fingers......gotta love the industry......it's your fault, no, it's your fault, no, it's your fault........
WateryGrave
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In the end, you may find out that you don't actually need to furlough that many pilots. Once word of the furloughs gets out there will be a lot of junior FO's looking for jobs at other regionals and many will find them. Between the furloughs and the potential for court-imposed contractual changes many junior guys may just bail out and some may leave the industry entirely. Also, with downgrades to FO and an extremely long time to CA upgrade a lot of more senior FO's may bail as well. Put it this way, if you were flying for Comair and you weren't looking for a job before you probably are now unless you have enough years invested that you have to see it through until the end. Good luck to all of you, this industry is failing worse everyday and there's no end in sight.
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