NWA wants DOH

[castle bravo]

What??? The eight ball is THE LAST guy(singular) on DAL's list, and he's no line holder.

Ok, fine. Let's revise the statement. Ther ARE 2008-hires on the 767 as int'l line holders. Maybe they were hired early 2008 and are not currently the eight ball, but what is the hire date of the most junior 330 block holder?

 

[MJ42]

Ok, fine. Let's revise the statement. Ther ARE 2008-hires on the 767 as int'l line holders.

So? Where does that make them sit on DAL's current list? Bottom 3% or less?

P.S. responded too soon to quote your 330 block holder question but I know what you're getting at, they're senior. So??? It's a senior position at NWA for a reason, 767er is junior at DAL for a reason as well.

 

[castle bravo]

What is the hire date of the most junior 330 block holder?

 

[MJ42]

What is the hire date of the most junior 330 block holder?

Read above...

Ok then, What would a 2008 hire hold if everyone at DAL bid the biggest/highest paying aircraft they could hold?

Still haven't answered my question how the last guy on DAL's list(88 f/o reserve) is relatively senior to a 320 block holder?

All this has been beaten to death on FI. My point was, fair is probably somewhere between both proposals...like it, or not.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

We would be 73N FO's. Not just 88 FO's we have hired that many.
What this points out is that our early 07 hires are in fact enjoying the same bidding authority that your late 99 hires are. That is why we are slotted in with your late 99 hire 320 FO's.
FWIW we have 623 M88 FO slots system wide. We have hired over 700 pilots since Feb of 2007. This equates to aprox. 80 "new hires" that fit this bill.
We can argue the staple but that comes to gauge of aircraft.

 

[MJ42]

We would be 73N FO's. Not just 88 FO's we have hired that many.
What this points out is that our early 07 hires are in fact enjoying the same bidding authority that your late 99 hires are. That is why we are slotted in with your late 99 hire 320 FO's.
FWIW we have 623 M88 FO slots system wide. We have hired over 700 pilots since Feb of 2007. This equates to aprox. 80 "new hires" that fit this bill.
We can argue the staple but that comes to gauge of aircraft.

Okay, but, how does that fit in to your mid 08 hires, who are 88 reserve, being senior to 00 DEC hires at NWA? Can't say because of gauge of aircraft.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Everyone at NWA doesn't bid the most senior equipment they can hold..nor do they at DAL.

The reason the DAL proposal worked out the way it did was due to "stovepipe" which assumed everyone bid the most senior equipment possible. All the nwa dc-9 and 747 SO positions went below our list..since they would be considered junior to the md-88- which is bigger than the 319 (only 3 seats smaller than the 320..the md-90 is 7 seats bigger than the 320).


That is the answer to your question.

Why are the number 7 and 8 guys on your list on the 757? Does the quality of life stink so bad on whale and megapoodle?

 

[FDJ2]

P.S. responded too soon to quote your 330 block holder question but I know what you're getting at, they're senior. So??? It's a senior position at NWA for a reason, 767er is junior at DAL for a reason as well.

Probably because the DC-9 position is sooooooo miserable.

Wide bodied flying goes more junior at DAL because we have twice as much wide bodied international flying as NWA and it has experienced significant growth due to DAL's rapidly expanding international operation. DAL also has super premium non international flying which is an attractive alternative. DAL has twice as many super premium paying 757 flying positions as NWA. DAL 737 flying pays more than an NWA 757 and DAL MD-88s are paid on par, within a couple of bucks, with NWA 757s.

Perhaps the reason wide bodied flying is so senior at NWA is because it is a stagnant, or shrinking category and the narrow bodied flying at NWA is in small, old, low paying aircraft.

 

[MJ42]

Everyone at NWA doesn't bid the most senior equipment they can hold..nor do they at DAL.

The reason the DAL proposal worked out the way it did was due to "stovepipe" which assumed everyone bid the most senior equipment possible. All the nwa dc-9 and 747 SO positions went below our list..since they would be considered junior to the md-88- which is bigger than the 319 (only 3 seats smaller than the 320..the md-90 is 7 seats bigger than the 320).


That is the answer to your question.

Why are the number 7 and 8 guys on your list on the 757? Does the quality of life stink so bad on whale and megapoodle?

I don't know? Go email them since we can now communicate via company email. That's like asking why 88 f/o's who can hold the 76 or better still bid the 88? Does 75/76 QOL suck that bad?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Depends on what you are looking for. I prefer to bid 767 reserve than fly a line on the 88. Being in base helps.