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No one mentioned that the 330's are replacing the DC-10's that have also been accelerated to the bone-yard... therefore net aircraft deliveries are not nearly has high as has been alluded to on this thread... also Compass is a POS sellout deal made by the MEC and the guy from Airways (working at NWA now) that set up MidAtlantic and then sold it off to Republic for crappy wages and rules... the Airways guys could choose to go to Republic and give up their Airways seniority #'s or go and work for a regional... don't think it will be ANY different at Compass when it bids well for NWA to sell it off to show a good bottom line one year so Steenland and his "heard" can make good money off the board assigned bonuses...

Tail
 
Tailhook,

Our current contract specifically addresses this issue. The Negotiating committee was fully aware of what happened at Airways and our contract language protects our pilots if they plan on flying for Compass until their NWA number is called. Furloughed NWA pilots will hold their number until recalled unless they choose not to return and specifically resign. They are not required to resign to fly for Compass or Pinnacle. Some of our negotiating members were born at night........, but not last night.
 
I don't blame the NWA pilots for not honoring the mechanic's strike They need money to put fuel in their boats this summer. And since the NWA pilot pay structure is exceedingly close to regional pay, the pilots need to fly max schedules. A strike at NWA is only given consent by the pilots if it is their strike. If NWA management wanted to outsource 52% percent of the flying to Pinnacle, they would then think that it was in the best interest of all NW employees for a strike by the pilots.

Bottom line is that the machanics had no choice. Half were gonna be unemployed anyway. When management does the same to the FA's the pilots will scream that they are not team players. When management does it to the pilots, the pilots still won't get it. More concessions will get voted in and the industry, with the help of the ALPA Mainline pilot, will be one not worth the effort and time to work in.
 
Check me if I'm wrong Sandy....

But if you go to work for Compass and then Compass is then sold off then you have to go w/ the "certificate" to the next of hire and they have to accept and keep your pilot position... not at the same wages or seat. There's alot of nebulous wording in the "agreement" that leads on to what I just said. If I'm wrong then let me know... but I think you've bought into the MEC B/S on this POS deal. I'm not trying to be a d!k but reallly I want to be proven wrong b/c I smell a rat...

Tail

PS- It doesn't smell bad to you that NWA does not operate this Compass under the same certificate?????? They bought Indy Air's certificate to operate Compass under... for a reason. Wake up and smell the dung brothers... it ain't what it sounds like. Don't trust your dope smoking union rep who will b/s you into thinking that ALPA saved your job. It's a smoke screen to apease you into thinking they care... so the senior guys can have their piece of the pie and get out while you're stuck holding your.... you know what.
 
A Bunch

They are up to 250 to get 75. Don't know if they got the 75 from the 250 or if they will have to send out more PNRs/ONRs. Either way, not many coming back yet. I would bet if they had a decent paying job, they would defer until after the new year so as not to fly over the holidays and have a little more seniority when they do return (if they return at all).
 
Actually if the MEC gets its way I supposed at least half the work force would retire. I guess if they did dump that equity into the DC you might actually make more by retiring.
 
I've heard that during the last furlough they had to include time on furlough for pay and senority to get the pilots to come back. Anyone here if they are talking about this this time around?

Baja.

For me BYPASS is the only way to go!!
 
YourPilotFriend said:
Actually if the MEC gets its way I supposed at least half the work force would retire. I guess if they did dump that equity into the DC you might actually make more by retiring.
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Well, the one nice smidgen of protection left in the contract is the right to refuse non-seniority list seat support in the simulator.

I don't see the ATI's getting much stick time....

Nu
 
Going2Baja said:
I've heard that during the last furlough they had to include time on furlough for pay and senority to get the pilots to come back. Anyone here if they are talking about this this time around?

Baja.

For me BYPASS is the only way to go!!
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You will be given a one time 10% discount on a small coffee at starbucks for returning.
 
JAM-BRO, great news love to see those DC-9's flying. The last of the real man's airplanes where the pilot is actually connected to the airplane.
 
Hi!

What is the "T I T A N T I C"??????

The "Titantic" is the largest version of an insect that feeds off of the blood of mammals. It grows up to 6" in length, and can weigh up to 40 lbs. when filled with blood! If you wake up and find one attached to your body, cut off the body with a large knife, and remove the head with pliers. It WILL be painful!

cliff
YIP
 
Cliff WTF?
 
NWA pilots sold out when they created Compass. Give it a few years and a new threat, and they will roll again. Bottom line is that your FA's have more spine than your pilots.

-TG
 
TinGoose1 said:
NWA pilots sold out when they created Compass. Give it a few years and a new threat, and they will roll again. Bottom line is that your FA's have more spine than your pilots.

-TG
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The FA's are making less than half of what the lowest pilot is making. They can't survive on the offered salaries, it's not a matter of having more balls. The most junior pilot is making about $75,000.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
The most junior pilot is making about $75,000.
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I'm not so sure about your numbers... I know, personally, that very senior FE's are making right around that number right now.
 
Workin'Stiff said:
I'm not so sure about your numbers... I know, personally, that very senior FE's are making right around that number right now.
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The ROPES don't count.
 
If I was recalled and not back filled for seniority for pay reasons I'll not probably come back... I just can't go back to first year pay AND take the chance that I'll get furloughed again. That precedent has been firmly set at NWA and if you think all will be rosey when you go back then you are fooling yourself. But for the back fill in seniority I'd consider going back and nothing short of that for me.

Tail
 
What would motivate NWA to pay more than your already accrued longevity for recall? Why would they care if a furloughed guy is coming back, or if they are hiring off the streeet?
 
Run! My friends run.
 
SWA/FO said:
Run! My friends run.
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What he said.

At least 1 recall was to replace a 19 year Blue Book Airbus Captain who punched out at 50. He sat next to me all last week. Took a $60,000 pay cut even after the new contract but says he found his smile again.
 
NWA gave the pilots the additional $800 million in equity as an investment in it's own company. By giving this amount of money NWA will see more than $1 billion in additional savings. With that equity 50% of the pilot group will be able to retire and will shift the airline to an all junior payscale. One that no other airline can touch at NWA regional rates.
 

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