Nwa Recalls

[Dumb Pilot]

AND I WON'T be there to take my turn to represent anyone as a 787 capt since I will bail at the earliest opportunity.

I agree with you, the It's all about ME attitude is alive and well in NWA

 

[ExAF]

Yeah...All about ME

I agree with you, the It's all about ME attitude is alive and well in NWA

No...Not really or maybe. You know the old saying, "Screw me once, shame on you, Screw me twice shame on me." After spending numerous years at the company that I thought was going to be my last job, I will have the wonderful opportunity to return AGAIN after the second furlough in a year to start all over at the entry level position (for the third time). The only difference is this time I will be making 40% less than the last time, working more hours, with less vacation, no retirement to speak of, and 1/2 pay for deadheading (which happens a lot on reserve) and working under the POS contract for the next 10 years. Rather than bitterly enduring a questionable future with the very real possibility of another furlough or even worse, flying for Compass, I choose to vote with my feet and move on to another company with a better track record and what I feel will be much better job security. I feel extremely fortunate to have that option since many of my friends don't. So you see, I don't HAVE MINE yet, and if leaving and making room for someone else to fulfill their dream at NWA makes it all about ME, then so be it. You are welcome to my spot. AMF!

 

[JAM-BRO]

How many retirements are coming up at NWA? Is it similar to Cal where most of the airline will retire in the next 10 years or does NWA have a younger pilot group like UAL?

50% of NWA pilots are over 50.... 10 yrs half the list is gone unless the ret age is changed..

 

[YourPilotFriend]

50% of NWA pilots are over 50.... 10 yrs half the list is gone unless the ret age is changed..

50% are gone next year after bankruptcy because you will make tons more money by retiring and getting a second job. On the bonus side you won't have to put up with NWA and you will be home every night.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

50% are gone next year after bankruptcy because you will make tons more money by retiring and getting a second job. On the bonus side you won't have to put up with NWA and you will be home every night.

You keep saying that but when faced with making that decision, I don't think that all of the pilots will make that choice. Sure some will leave, But half the seniority list?

After spending numerous years at the company that I thought was going to be my last job, I will have the wonderful opportunity to return AGAIN after the second furlough in a year to start all over at the entry level position (for the third time). The only difference is this time I will be making 40% less than the last time, working more hours, with less vacation, no retirement to speak of, and 1/2 pay for deadheading (which happens a lot on reserve) and working under the POS contract for the next 10 years. Rather than bitterly enduring a questionable future with the very real possibility of another furlough or even worse, flying for Compass, I choose to vote with my feet and move on to another company with a better track record

Regrettably it is folks like you that I would like to see stay and try to build a great place to work for. But I don't blame you for trying to go to a more "unified" place.

 

[AnimalTale]

Animal

I am not proud at all... I voted NO.... Our pay is shameful, that I KNOW!!! I posted those numbers to show another poster that he was not correct to say that senior SO's were making less than $75,000/yr. I was hired in '98 and I am at $80/hr-9th yr. Compare that to $118 two years ago, is pretty pathetic. Our (red book)negotiating guys fed us to the lions to save their pensions. They are laughing to the bank. I will do better with the PBGC benefit. I lost over 90% of my DB. Instead of getting $14,000 a month, I will receive a whopping $1,398/mo. I don't wish bad on others, but sometimes I wish Douggie and Gary dumped the pension on us... That would put a smile on my face!!!!!! That is the sad state of our once fun-to-go-to-work-for airline...

Jam-Bro,

I am sorry for what happened to you. Do you think it would be fair to include the furloughed guys too. At least you get 1300 bucks. What about the poor guys who were furloughed and get no longevity for pay or retirement.

I have heard some guys have been on furlough for 4 years, yet they come back at 1st year pay.

I think everyone "SOLD" eachother out. The senior dudes are going to laugh their way to the bank.

Cya

 

[holmie]

I just got off the NWA Alpa site and looks like they had to use the short notice recall provision to fill the Nov Class. Hire date of the last selected guy was 4-10-2000. That's about 300 notices for recall for 50 dudes to show. Another round of recalls should be coming next week. Does anyone know if the training foot print has changed much since the new contract came around? Used to be 6 weeks for the DC9.

 

[Seeniner]

drivel

I had to read through a lot of griping to find some useful information, thanks Holmie.

I'm constantly amazed at how much pilots b1tch and complain about other pilots...what is wrong with us?

 

[zonker]

I'm constantly amazed at how much pilots b1tch and complain about other pilots...what is wrong with us?

We've got no respect for our profession or each other. And it's used against us, constantly.

 

[NuGuy]

50% are gone next year after bankruptcy because you will make tons more money by retiring and getting a second job. On the bonus side you won't have to put up with NWA and you will be home every night.

Dude you are dreaming AND giving out false information. Is this what they are selling up at building A or N? Your faint hopes of someday "getting your number" are MUCH farther than what your program manager is selling you.

Repeat after me: "There is NO 880 million, there is NO 880 million". Even the coolaide drinking portion of the MEC says the best the group as a whole will see is about 88 million, or 10 cents on the dollar.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

I just got off the NWA Alpa site and looks like they had to use the short notice recall provision to fill the Nov Class. Hire date of the last selected guy was 4-10-2000. That's about 300 notices for recall for 50 dudes to show. Another round of recalls should be coming next week. Does anyone know if the training foot print has changed much since the new contract came around? Used to be 6 weeks for the DC9.

Hey Holmie,

The list is progressing into the folks that have been out more than 5 years. Once in that territory, it will probably be more like 7-8 weeks, since you have to do basic indoc all over again. 2 weeks for systems, and probably 4 for CPT/Sims/Checkrides and OE.

They're already out of pilots. Mass cancellations, and from what I hear, crew skeds are calling guys that are out sick to see "if you're better yet, cause we really need you".

Nu

 

[JAM-BRO]

Jam-Bro,

I am sorry for what happened to you. Do you think it would be fair to include the furloughed guys too. At least you get 1300 bucks. What about the poor guys who were furloughed and get no longevity for pay or retirement.

I have heard some guys have been on furlough for 4 years, yet they come back at 1st year pay.

I think everyone "SOLD" eachother out. The senior dudes are going to laugh their way to the bank.

Cya

I am with you on that... Our MEC managed to leave the furloghees without a vote on our POS contract. That way their pension was saved. Also the fact that 50%of our pilots are over 50, they were scared into voting yes to save their pension. Big mistake. Now after two months of flying the crap that the company is allowed under the new rules, everybody is pissed!!!! As for the furloghees, the best thing they can do is not come back. That may prompt the company to grant the furloghees time away as time served. NO sweat on the company's back since they could start hiring new guys by mid 2007. This last weekend there was a ********************load of cancellations due to no crews. We have over 700 guys out in the streets and we cancel due to lack of crews. Who is running this circus????

 

[NuGuy]

I am with you on that... Our MEC managed to leave the furloghees without a vote on our POS contract. That way their pension was saved. Also the fact that 50%of our pilots are over 50, they were scared into voting yes to save their pension. Big mistake. Now after two months of flying the crap that the company is allowed under the new rules, everybody is pissed!!!! As for the furloghees, the best thing they can do is not come back. That may prompt the company to grant the furloghees time away as time served. NO sweat on the company's back since they could start hiring new guys by mid 2007. This last weekend there was a ********************load of cancellations due to no crews. We have over 700 guys out in the streets and we cancel due to lack of crews. Who is running this circus????

Heyas Jam,

Funny thing...the seniors jammed this crap TA down everyone's throat to save the pension, then after they found out "gee, you mean the zero open time and crap schedules applies to US too?"

Now they are trying anything and everything to fix it up, but the MEC won't let them. Now all the senior pukes are talking about recalls of the bluebook LEC reps. It would be hysterical to watch if it wasn't so fcuking sad.

Nu

 

[AnimalTale]

Hey Jam-Bro,

Just talked with a friend of mine who is a senior 330 CA (Red Book) pilot based out of Detoilet.

He told me that a majority of the pilots are complaining and raising HELL with the new work rules. He also noted that the WIDEBODY guys are not that effected. The majority of the complaints are coming from a MUCH ABUSED NARROWBODY Population.

In Fact, I think the F'n NWA ALPA MEC must have been Widebody pilots because these poor narrowbody pilots got sold to the devil.

I hope oneday the SENIOR GUYS get Hosed. Man, I h8 Duane Worthless too, POS.


CYA

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Ok I am drunk and tired of the whining. I am mid seniority (3300-3600) 1995 hire. Would you ********************ing cry babies stop whineing and run for office or some other posistion. All you do is sling ******************** on the Alpa forum and I never see any new names running for lec posistions. ALPA is not the problem! We are as a profession no matter what airline your from. That includes you sissys at aa that voted your ********************ty concessionary contract in with the threat of Ch.11 and you swa types that took the 10 yr contract in the early 90's with no raises for growth, and don't get me going about you lcc douchbags. 63% voted for this pos that brought us down to the current golden child-CAL in work rules (because they are hiring) which nobody would have considerded as a 1st choice 4-5 yrs ago(not that nwa was, but at least 4-5 behind aa,dal,ual,ups and fedex) and USairs ********************ty payrates after the CH 11 butt ********************ing and America Wests bottom feeding rates. Consideriing over 50% of our seniority list was hired after the merger stop ********************ing whining about the former red book guys. The red/green guys ie. senior amount to less than 40% of the seniority list, that means the majority (blue book-post merger hires) did not have the intestinal fortitude to vote no. So stop blaming it on red/senior votes. Yes they did skew the presentations but we were all big girls and boys enough to know that after comparing what the other airline had come down to that nwa overreached, but WE voted yes out of fear and now we have to live with it. The only good news is they are having trouble staffing the airline and hopefully the anger amongst the group(including the weak dicks that voted yes to FIGHT ANOTHER DAY crowd) that are having their schedules trashed will band together to get a pound of flesh back for every ounce needed from mgt. OK, I am done ranting. Btw I voted no for the contract and yes for the strike.

 

[lionflyer]

When's the "new" contract amendable if I dare ask?

 

[jetflier]

Cobra..

I totally agree !

Your commentary sayis it all, about the industry, and about NWA. Based on that info the only way we as pilots can go now is up!.....Pay and workrules need to be improved across the industry....starting with the smallest aircraft.
RJ's need to be viewed as smaller mainline aircraft as their flying is closer than ever to the mainline job.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I met a Capt at NWA who is leaving the narrow body fleet ASAP to be a -400 FO. He said all the crappy changes basically only affected the narrowbody guys (except for the paycuts, of course).

I was supposed to fly to GRB this past Mon, but the flight was cancelled. Luckily, I got on a Pinnacle flight to ATW.

The Mesaba RJ-85s are due to all be pulled offline shortly, so that will take a lot of PAX seat-miles out of the system. I heard NWA was pulling -9s out of the desert to cover that flying, and of course, they are getting the new jets next spring for Compass to replace them. However, it sounds like the crew-manning situation at NWA will get even worse with more planes on line at NWA to try and cover the RJ-85 flying.

I hope things get better soon!!!

cliff
GRB

 

[AnimalTale]

Hi!

I met a Capt at NWA who is leaving the narrow body fleet ASAP to be a -400 FO. He said all the crappy changes basically only affected the narrowbody guys (except for the paycuts, of course).
cliff
GRB

Cliff,

Thats what my friend (A330CA) said too!

Can somebody tell me how the narrowbody pilots at NWA got the lesser of the deal? Is there not more narrowbody pilots at NWA(so shouldnt the new contract have been voted down?)? Dont you all vote for the contract? Did you narrowbody guys actually READ this proposed contract or did you faithully follow your ELECTED MEC OFFICIALS's (which are probably senior widebody captains) recommendations?

I am asking because I am wondering why there are so many complaints? The proposal was in your face and if it sucked so bad why did you vote YES?

Also, I have another question. When Compa$$ startes up, and NWA retires the DC9s, is the company going to force the '9 pilots into Compa$$ by threatening furlough? I just do not see much room at Mainline for displaced '9 pilots (maybe 1300 DC9 pilots).

I hope your MEC thought of all these scenarios too instead of worry about their pension and widebody skeds.

I hope you guys turn this thing around. Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

This industry is AMAZING! Duane Worth should have sacraficed his greed for an SOS. I am almost certain the ALPA pilots would have gained momentum over managments tactics. Just look at the profits NWA, UAL & Delta posted. Managment Bluffed and ALPA bought it! Too Bad. It wll take years to recover the losses.



CYA

 

[Going2Baja]

No...Not really or maybe. You know the old saying, "Screw me once, shame on you, Screw me twice shame on me." After spending numerous years at the company that I thought was going to be my last job, I will have the wonderful opportunity to return AGAIN after the second furlough in a year to start all over at the entry level position (for the third time). The only difference is this time I will be making 40% less than the last time, working more hours, with less vacation, no retirement to speak of, and 1/2 pay for deadheading (which happens a lot on reserve) and working under the POS contract for the next 10 years. Rather than bitterly enduring a questionable future with the very real possibility of another furlough or even worse, flying for Compass, I choose to vote with my feet and move on to another company with a better track record and what I feel will be much better job security. I feel extremely fortunate to have that option since many of my friends don't. So you see, I don't HAVE MINE yet, and if leaving and making room for someone else to fulfill their dream at NWA makes it all about ME, then so be it. You are welcome to my spot. AMF!

EXACTLY what I'm trying to do!!! It's really no different than starting at the bottom of someone elses senority other than probie pay for a year and if you choose your carrier correctly you should be WAY ahead in the longrun!

BTW - ExAF - Where did you go??

Baja.