NWA Hiring scoop???

[Fly4hire]

I fly for a rather large 737 operator based down south. My animosity towards the NW group is based on the experiences from when I was with JetBlue. The snotty attitudes, and petty jumpseat wars perpetuated by the Northwest crews was absolutely disgusting.

.....another commuter who would sell thier first born to protect thier ability to JS off-line....

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Not quite. But thanks for playing...

.....another commuter who would sell thier first born to protect thier ability to JS off-line....

 

[Kroll]

Ok back on course.

Well I've heard from HR that online apps will be online in the next month or two via the NWA website.

There will be a panel interveiw & sim (most likely the DC-9) The psych test is up in the air.

If considering NWA or any carrier you look at where you could be in 5 years, 10 years, 15years.

If you compare SWA and NWA and lets say these companies don't change. Lets say your hired today at both companys. In 7 years at NWA you will move up about 40% of the senority. 14 Years NWA 82% up the Senority. SWA at 14 years you'll move up 40% in senority. So before decide where you want to go look into your future senority potential. This info is from a chart in the Jan issue of Air Inc mag.

Is NWA the right call for you? Who knows. NWA is a tough place for now but I'm hopeful it will not stay like that forever.

Everyone knows todays golden goose can be tommorrows turd.

 

[PCL_128]

.....another commuter who would sell thier first born to protect thier ability to JS off-line....

This guy was wearing an ALPA battlestar and was a union organizer. I'm not too fond of JetBlue, but even I can see that this guy deserved some respect from the NWA crews.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

And today's turd can be tommorrow's golden goose.

DAL is definitely better than NWA TODAY, but you will move up faster at NWA, based on seniority.

Which one will be better in 15 years?

God doesn't even know.

cliff
YIP

 

[LearLove]

.....another commuter who would sell thier first born to protect thier ability to JS off-line....

what?? I don't get it........

 

[Diesel-9]

Mid-August applications will be accepted. Rumor only of Dec. classes and 25 a month indef...

 

[NuGuy]

Mid-August applications will be accepted. Rumor only of Dec. classes and 25 a month indef...

Confirm what Diesel said.

Be that as it may, be advised that you could very possibly wind up at Compass, and that the current work envrionment is toxic.

Senior and junor are at each others throats. Junior guys are trying to get some changes made to make life even minimally tolerable, and the senior guys are in %100 company man mode to the point where they are calling into OPS to have the ACARS times revised because there were no jetway operators (IE taking money out of THEIR own paycheck).

Unless you can drive to work in MEM, DTW or MSP, I would plan on using it as a stepping stone only.

Nu

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

And, contrast with NuGuy, the guy I know best said things are going well for him.

He flies about 8 hours more now that he did pre-9/11, which is the main difference in his quality of life. He would like to make more money, but wouldn't we all. He is on 3rd yr pay (DC-9FO) and he's making about $75K/year. He could make more if he picked up more flying. He is home a lot more, and, overall, it's much better than his last job (where I'm at).

I also talked to a bunch of -757 captains and FOs. One said it was bad. The other 5 or 6 said it was good for them, but not as good for the -9 guys.

cliff
YIP

 

[EV120]

Looking to the future is why I even started the thread. CAL and NWA lists are comparable with seniority movement in the next 10 years. Even with age 65, NWA will be losing many of its pilots in the next 10-15 years. You may even be able to upgrade in 5-10 at NWA, of course it all depends on where future jet orders are placed.

For those in the know...please keep us wannabe's in the loop. I look forward to moving north again.

Does anyone have any idea of when the snapbacks start to occur, and how much.

 

[NuGuy]

Looking to the future is why I even started the thread. CAL and NWA lists are comparable with seniority movement in the next 10 years. Even with age 65, NWA will be losing many of its pilots in the next 10-15 years. You may even be able to upgrade in 5-10 at NWA, of course it all depends on where future jet orders are placed.

For those in the know...please keep us wannabe's in the loop. I look forward to moving north again.

Does anyone have any idea of when the snapbacks start to occur, and how much.

Heyas EV,

One thing to factor in is that NWA is looking to get down to a 4000 pilot airline (down from 6500 pre-9/11). That means they're going to park the DC-9s and most, if not all, of the A319s. If you follow the news, they've already started this trend.

There will be no replacements for those aircraft The smallest thing at the airline will be the A320.

Add that in with age 65, lower (much) than expected early retirements and you will be junior/reserve or at Compass for a long, long time.

As I said, if you're local and/or looking for a nice stepping stone, I'd say go for it. But there are plenty of better opportunities out there.

Nu

PS What snapbacks?

 

[JAM-BRO]

hey cliff. If you're doing the usajet thing, then nwa is probably better. If you do get hired, though, I wouldn't stop applying EVERYWHERE else (except maybe UAL) for a while.

Probably better?????????? YGTBFKM!!!!

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[JAM-BRO]

I fly for a rather large 737 operator based down south. My animosity towards the NW group is based on the experiences from when I was with JetBlue. The snotty attitudes, and petty jumpseat wars perpetuated by the Northwest crews was absolutely disgusting. The fact that I proudly wore my ALPA Battlestar and was on the union organizing committee while at JetBlue didn't count for anything. All you NW putzes ever cared to see was a blue shirt, and you were all so scared, that you behaved like 5 year-olds, taking your ball and going home. I'm sure there are some great guys and gals at Northwest. It was just that whenever I ran into them at airports, hotel vans, etc., I never saw it.

Bob.. I have never seen a CA at NWA deny a JS to anyone... It is hard to believe your story. Personally, I have had many JB guys in the JS. They have always been welcomed and treated well.
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[JAM-BRO]

I fly for a rather large 737 operator based down south. My animosity towards the NW group is based on the experiences from when I was with JetBlue. The snotty attitudes, and petty jumpseat wars perpetuated by the Northwest crews was absolutely disgusting. The fact that I proudly wore my ALPA Battlestar and was on the union organizing committee while at JetBlue didn't count for anything. All you NW putzes ever cared to see was a blue shirt, and you were all so scared, that you behaved like 5 year-olds, taking your ball and going home. I'm sure there are some great guys and gals at Northwest. It was just that whenever I ran into them at airports, hotel vans, etc., I never saw it.

I read your post again and now I can see why you got left at the gate. Your big mouth and the smell of kok in your breath!!!!!!!​

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[JAM-BRO]

Confirm what Diesel said.

Be that as it may, be advised that you could very possibly wind up at Compass, and that the current work envrionment is toxic.

Senior and junor are at each others throats. Junior guys are trying to get some changes made to make life even minimally tolerable, and the senior guys are in %100 company man mode to the point where they are calling into OPS to have the ACARS times revised because there were no jetway operators (IE taking money out of THEIR own paycheck).

Unless you can drive to work in MEM, DTW or MSP, I would plan on using it as a stepping stone only.

Nu

Nu

I don't know what you are talking about... CAs calling to get times corrected!!!! That I have never seen. Don't spread BS rumors. We don't need that.
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[atpcliff]

Hi!

My buddy at NWA said that they're either buying the "C" aircraft from Bomardier or the Boeing 100 seat product which will be out in either 2010 or 2012 (he couldn't remember which).

NuGuy, if you're at NWA, something weird is going on, because the info you're getting is opposite of what has been told to me buddy.

Anyone else with info on the DC-9 replacement?

cliff
YIP

 

[Clacker]

Heyas EV,

One thing to factor in is that NWA is looking to get down to a 4000 pilot airline (down from 6500 pre-9/11). That means they're going to park the DC-9s and most, if not all, of the A319s. If you follow the news, they've already started this trend.

There will be no replacements for those aircraft The smallest thing at the airline will be the A320.

Add that in with age 65, lower (much) than expected early retirements and you will be junior/reserve or at Compass for a long, long time.

As I said, if you're local and/or looking for a nice stepping stone, I'd say go for it. But there are plenty of better opportunities out there.

Nu

PS What snapbacks?

I agree with NuGuy on this one. I'm a '99 hire sitting it out flying freight, and wondering if I'll ever go back. The current contract goes through 2010 and I fully expect management to drag their collective feet for several years after that before a new contract is signed. It's not too bad if you live in Mecca (MSP) or DTW, but for a commuter it's pretty lousy now. The airline is shrinking, and I don't expect any real upward movement for some time. As Consumer Reports likes to put it: "There are better choices..."

 

[PCL_128]

or the Boeing 100 seat product which will be out in either 2010 or 2012 (he couldn't remember which).

You sure about that date? I doubt that the Boeing product will be ready that soon. Even the 737 replacement isn't going to be ready until the '14-'15 time frame.

 

[Going2Baja]

Did you forget the free $$$ we all got once they came out of BK? I was 2 yr and got $72k less taxes. I'd say ALPA did us a solid.

Baja.

Baja,

Did not forget it at all. It was very nice and totally unexpected. Mine was not as large as yours and shrunk from the original announcement. The only reason that we got that money is because they gave it to the retired guys. They couldn't figure out a way to give it to them and not give it to the furloughed guys who weren't back at the company yet. I've been talking with my rep constantly and I can tell you that for the most part they just wish that the furloughed/junior guys would go away. They are not giving any priority or willing to use any negotiating capital to obtain provisions (longevity credit) that are important to us. I could break even if I was at third year pay, but unfortunately, I did not complete my first year (fell short by three weeks) and did not get the credits that you did. Hope things are going well for you.

Backer

Please explain this one.....What benefit would us furloughed guys going away be to NWA? Is it the fact they would be paying essentially new-hires third and fourth pay (and they'd still be pissed off at the four year vacation?)

Baja.

 

[xjhawk]

Why are you making plans for two airplanes which are still on the drawing board. NWA might have a plan, but I do not think its set in stone. I do not think some line pilot who heard from some guy who knows somebody in management. The loss of the airbus 319's and the scheduled retirement of the nine's will mean a even higher load factor and a higher cancelation rate. Good luck commuting on NWA in the future. Seems to me NWA is looking at being lean in the future, but it also seems to me they are trying to be too lean and having to cancel flights.

 

[C-135 Backer]

Please explain this one.....What benefit would us furloughed guys going away be to NWA?

Hi Baja,

Not a benefit to NWA, but to NWA ALPA. The union is basically tired of dealing with the furloughed guys/gals. Don't get me wrong--I think they try, but they have a pretty tough hand to balance out all concerns (albeit skewed heavily towards the senior guys/gals). We complicate things for them in how to apply awards, how much negotiating capital to spend on trying to achieve some of our goals. All of those difficulties go away once we go away. That soon will happen as the number of pilots accepting recall is really low (well below their expectations) from the last remaining holdouts.

My beef is that I (and most junior/furloughed guys/gals feel the same way) feel that our union has cut the chord on us. They have granted contractual relief on staffing several times with the company which has either resulted in more furloughs or lengthened the furloughed times of others. Now that we are forced with a come back to really sub-standarad pay conditions on the bottom or resign our seniority, the union has done nothing to help our situation. The fact that we have so many electing not to return is shameful. The union really could have done a better job of creating pay (in light of circumstances) where we could have returned at livable wages. In light of the current staffing crisis, there is no doubt that company intentionally let this happen and the most plausible reason is that they will continue to outsource our flying to Compass, Pinnacle, Mesaba. There will be a lot of stagnation if not flow down to Compass.

In the end though, you have to play the hand you are dealt. You can only look forward. My best to you!

Backer

 

[Crossky]

Be that as it may, be advised that you could very possibly wind up at Compass, and that the current work envrionment is toxic.

Unless you can drive to work in MEM, DTW or MSP, I would plan on using it as a stepping stone only.

Nu

I just sent Compass a Dear John email for an August 8th class. It was actually a tough decision, because I can drive to MSP (5 hrs but still). Currently commuting to E. Coast. Sooo, for me, flowing down to Compass as a NWA newbie would still be better than clawing and scratching my way up as a Compass hire. I'm painting the worst case scenario here of course.

I'll be applying when it opens . . .

 

[EV120]

With re: to flowback to Compass or XJ, if it happens, would a person go into the left or right seat?

 

[CFI2766]

Looking to the future is why I even started the thread. CAL and NWA lists are comparable with seniority movement in the next 10 years. Even with age 65, NWA will be losing many of its pilots in the next 10-15 years. You may even be able to upgrade in 5-10 at NWA, of course it all depends on where future jet orders are placed.

For those in the know...please keep us wannabe's in the loop. I look forward to moving north again.

Does anyone have any idea of when the snapbacks start to occur, and how much.

Other than being on the inside, where can you get an idea of what the seniority lists are? Is this published somewhere?

 

[Abbey]

With re: to flowback to Compass or XJ, if it happens, would a person go into the left or right seat?

It would make sense to flow to the left seat at XJ. The flowbacks would have been around for what...5 minutes? Have fun with the 7-8 year XJ FO's.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I don;t now how much more management can beat down the NWA employment group anymore. NWA should actually be in better financial shape than delta right now, however, the labor turmoil is probably going to make them fall way short of the $1.77 billion to beat mark.

 

[NuGuy]

My buddy at NWA said that they're either buying the "C" aircraft from Bomardier or the Boeing 100 seat product which will be out in either 2010 or 2012 (he couldn't remember which).

NuGuy, if you're at NWA, something weird is going on, because the info you're getting is opposite of what has been told to me buddy.

Anyone else with info on the DC-9 replacement?

Then your buddy is living in Denial, not Michigan. There is not DC-9 replacement, and the only thing hinted is that the company is only talking to Bombardier.

Bombardier's best guess on delivery is 2013. Meanwhile, NWA is parking 319s and DC-9s every month THIS year.

On top of that ANY DC-9 replacement has significantly lower pay than the DC-9 itself, thanks to the new TA. That's little tidbit is usually left out of the wide body press releases.

Nu

 

[JAM-BRO]

Then your buddy is living in Denial, not Michigan. There is not DC-9 replacement, and the only thing hinted is that the company is only talking to Bombardier.

Bombardier's best guess on delivery is 2013. Meanwhile, NWA is parking 319s and DC-9s every month THIS year.

On top of that ANY DC-9 replacement has significantly lower pay than the DC-9 itself, thanks to the new TA. That's little tidbit is usually left out of the wide body press releases.

Nu

In what part of the contract are the pay rates for those DC9 replacement a/c. I haven't seen them.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

He said that Boeing approached NWA and told them of their 100 seat aircraft plans, and that it'd be ready in either 2010 or 2012-he could'nt remember which date he'd been told.

He also said that the payrates WOULD be lower than the -9 (for whichever A/C NWA buys), but that, basically, the planes wouldn't be ready until after the current contract ends, so he thought new rates would be negotiated before the planes were on property.

cliff
YIP

PSObviously, all the above could be wrong. However, NWA does need a replacement for the 100-130 or so seat DC-9s, and a 74 seat aircraft doesn't do that so well.

 

[NuGuy]

In what part of the contract are the pay rates for those DC9 replacement a/c. I haven't seen them.

You will find these rates on page 3-11 of your CBA. I took a 10 year CA, as that is probably to most junior captain on property. Read it and weep:

A320: 134.88
DC-9: 121.84
101-110 seat replacement: 111.11
EMB195: 100.19
77-100 seat replacement: 94.74​

JB should be refusing jumpseats for how much WE'VE lowered the bar.​

I don't understand why you think NWA needs a replacement 100 (or even 125) seater. How many does CAL have? DAL? AMR? Smallest thing I see at their shop is in the 150 seat range.​

Nu​