NWA flow back into compass.

[flyboyike]

Dude, half the post on this board are not facts.

Half?

 

[WSurf]

Too funny! How did I bash NW or Compass?? Please quote anything I said that Bashed NW or Compass. Just by saying that if the price of fuel goes up that DC-9's could get parked at a faster rate.

What, Where and When!

LOL

 

[Terry Hunter]

With gas prices going out of control I would doubt that the gas guzzling DC-9's will be around by Summers end.

If that happens, then you can start worrying about a flowback.

First off, we all know that talking about NWA DC-9's and their fate is a horse that has been beaten to a pulp, so it's old when someone thinks they are trailblazing a news story down the same path. (Is anyone else tired of seeing "BREAKING NEWS" at the bottom of the CNN screen, continuously?)

2nd... You have one opinion (gas prices going out of control) and two speculations that follow in the post above. The first opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high, but is it out-of-control? Hence, the two speculations lose credibility.

3rd... if we apply business sense to this... NWA couldn't just dissolve a fleet over a few months, it would leave a hole so big in this incredibly tight market.

 

[MJ42]

First off, we all know that talking about NWA DC-9's and their fate is a horse that has been beaten to a pulp, so it's old when someone thinks they are trailblazing a news story down the same path. (Is anyone else tired of seeing "BREAKING NEWS" at the bottom of the CNN screen, continuously?)

2nd... You have one opinion (gas prices going out of control) and two speculations that follow in the post above. The first opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high, but is it out-of-control? Hence, the two speculations lose credibility.

3rd... if we apply business sense to this... NWA couldn't just dissolve a fleet over a few months, it would leave a hole so big in this incredibly tight market.

Exactly, good post!...See Wsurf, everyone else seems to get it. It's not about your opinion, you made a blatantly inaccurate STATEMENT on a subject where you have no information except for what you read on FI.

"Please son, don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun." WSurf...Let me give you some advice from someone who has handled many a firearm: RULE #1: When holding a gun make sure to point AWAY from self. Got it WSurf?

Debate over. Take care WSurf.

 

[Smarta$$]

You guys are ganging up on wsurf for no reason. He has an opinion, and is entitled to have said opinion. His concerns are valid, and you don't know what the future holds for the cost of fuel or the future of the DC9. You here what NW is CURRENTLY saying about the 9, but you have no idea what they might decide tommorrow.

You my be sick of hearing this arguement, but that doesn't mean you know the diffinative outcome.

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

 

[MJ42]

You guys are ganging up on wsurf for know reason. (Yes, I know) He has an opinion, and is entitled to have said opinion. His concerns are valid,(He works for Piedmont, not NWA or Compass. Why is he concerned about us? Based on his posts he obviously doesn't want to work at either company.) and you don't know the what the future holds for the cost of fuel or the future of the DC9.(I have better info on the DC-9 retirements.) You here(Where, who?) what NW is CURRENTLY saying about the 9, but you have no idea what they might decide tommorrow.

You my be sick of hearing this arguement, but that doesn't mean you know the diffinative outcome.

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

Your post was a bit hard to follow because of the 3rd grade level grammar skills but...

Tools? He posted an inaccurate STATEMENT with no info or stake in the matter. No one knows the outcome, but some of us have better knowledge of the situation(i.e. those of us that fly the 9 at NWA).

 

[viper548]

Northwest management is waiting on a replacement for the DC9. It sounds like they are leaning toward the BBD-C-series, but it won't be out for years. Maybe some current DC9 guys can chime in here, but from what I've seen the -9 does routes less than 2 hours, where fuel burn doesn't make as much difference as it would on longer flights. Yes the -9 isn't fuel efficient but they have new interiors, new paint and are perfectly capable of getting the job done until a suitable replacement is found.

 

[Terry Hunter]

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

I'll repeat... You have an opinion (gas prices going out of control). The opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high (higher than we want it, that's for sure), but is it out-of-control?

If helping to identify differing opinions makes me a "tool", so be it. I guess someone has to be one.

 

[LawReview]

What's the lease payment on a plane the size of a DC-9? Somewhere north of $100K/mo. Those DC-9's are paid for, yeah they burn more fuel but is it $100K/mo. more than a similar sized aircraft? probably not[/QUOT

Last year I was involve in aircraft acquisitions. Specifically the B737-800/700. Current lease prices from CIT/IFLC/etc. are around 420,000 - 400,000 USD/mo.

You can pay for a lot of fuel with that. Specifically with the short stage length (high frequency) of the DC9.

 

[viper548]

Just some rough math here. Suppose a DC-9 flies 8 hours a day. That's 240 hours per month. Lets say it burns 5000/lbs per hour. That equals 1.2M lbs/6.7= 179,100 Gal per month. At $3/gal that's $537,300 per month for fuel. Even if a new airplane burns half as much fuel as the DC-9 the lease payment is gonna shoot the operating cost through the roof. Of course the DC9 would have higher maintenance costs but until they get to be up near the cost of leasing a newer plane it makes sense just to keep flying the DC9

 

[MJ42]

What's the lease payment on a plane the size of a DC-9? Somewhere north of $100K/mo. Those DC-9's are paid for, yeah they burn more fuel but is it $100K/mo. more than a similar sized aircraft? probably not[/QUOT

Last year I was involve in aircraft acquisitions. Specifically the B737-800/700. Current lease prices from CIT/IFLC/etc. are around 420,000 - 400,000 USD/mo.

You can pay for a lot of fuel with that. Specifically with the short stage length (high frequency) of the DC9.

Good point!

 

[jetflier]

Just some rough math here. Suppose a DC-9 flies 8 hours a day. That's 240 hours per month. Lets say it burns 5000/lbs per hour. That equals 1.2M lbs/6.7= 179,100 Gal per month. At $3/gal that's $537,300 per month for fuel. Even if a new airplane burns half as much fuel as the DC-9 the lease payment is gonna shoot the operating cost through the roof. Of course the DC9 would have higher maintenance costs but until they get to be up near the cost of leasing a newer plane it makes sense just to keep flying the DC9

Yep,...I totally agree. The DC9 is a different breed. It is always ready to go due to its simplicity. It burns 5-6 thousand pounds per hour at a .76 econ cruise. But there are no high priced lease costs. Maint is always an issue with older aircraft, but it is a simple bird.

Put fuel in the tanks and off you go.

They are great aircraft, fun to fly.

But Delta may change that on next Tuesday,...

 

[Superpilot92]

Yep,...I totally agree. The DC9 is a different breed. It is always ready to go due to its simplicity. It burns 5-6 thousand pounds per hour at a .76 econ cruise. But there are no high priced lease costs. Maint is always an issue with older aircraft, but it is a simple bird.

Put fuel in the tanks and off you go.

They are great aircraft, fun to fly.

But Delta may change that on next Tuesday,...[/quote]

Yeah it is :beer:

Whats the significance of Tuesday?

 

[viper548]

I rode on a DC-9 yesterday. New paint, new interior. It's a great plane

 

[MJ42]

I rode on a DC-9 yesterday. New paint, new interior. It's a great plane

You got that right! Makes you a very good instrument pilot also.

Jetflier, you got it right also!

 

[Sir Innocenti]

You must work for NW or Comapss. I am sorry

Okay, we'll just wait and see.

They are getting rid of the 9's but I see with fuel prices increasing that they would speed that process up.

And with the Delta deal not going thru, hmmm

Just a thought..... sorry i am clueless!!!


I bow to you oh might one!!!

Wow...I used to think this guy posted some decent info...After this, I am clearly wrong....obviously not one that offers credibilty in his response....Lets hope this is a "one off" poor reply to a subject he is clearly off base with no decent intelligence on.

 

[DrewBlows]

I rode on a DC-9 yesterday. New paint, new interior. It's a great plane

You obviously didn't ride up front. The paint that isn't wore off looks like it was painted on with a rag, and the collection of miscellaneous levers, switches, and instruments looks Soviet period. On the other hand you feel like you are riding in a tank and the lack of avionics cooling fans makes for a relatively quite ride. Overall pretty cool.

 

[viper548]

You obviously didn't ride up front. The paint that isn't wore off looks like it was painted on with a rag, and the collection of miscellaneous levers, switches, and instruments looks Soviet period. On the other hand you feel like you are riding in a tank and the lack of avionics cooling fans makes for a relatively quite ride. Overall pretty cool.

I went up and took a look. I was gonna ride up front but I got a pretty good seat in back. It reminded me of the C-5 flightdeck

 

[MJ42]

Wow...I used to think this guy posted some decent info...After this, I am clearly wrong....obviously not one that offers credibilty in his response....Lets hope this is a "one off" poor reply to a subject he is clearly off base with no decent intelligence on.

Yeah, although I gave him a hard time I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. Misguided on this subject but I'm sure he's a good "dude". Now smarta$$...that's another subject. He's just flat out dumb. I can't believe my tax money paid for that G.E.D. education, I need a refund!

 

[Superpilot92]

You obviously didn't ride up front. The paint that isn't wore off looks like it was painted on with a rag, and the collection of miscellaneous levers, switches, and instruments looks Soviet period. On the other hand you feel like you are riding in a tank and the lack of avionics cooling fans makes for a relatively quite ride. Overall pretty cool.

Thats where all the charm is :beer:

 

[FmrFreightDog]

You guys are ganging up on wsurf for no reason. He has an opinion, and is entitled to have said opinion. His concerns are valid, and you don't know what the future holds for the cost of fuel or the future of the DC9. You here what NW is CURRENTLY saying about the 9, but you have no idea what they might decide tommorrow.

You my be sick of hearing this arguement, but that doesn't mean you know the diffinative outcome.

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

Jesus Raptor Christ....

Spelling.

Grammar.

And to think you actually edited that post! Amazing! Sadly, you actually make a valid point. However, it's almost impossible to wade past "here" (hear), "tommorrow" (tomorrow), "arguement" (argument), "diffinative" (definitive), "genious" (genius), and "Has any" (Have any) to get to said valid point. Exactly which catastrophically failed public school system are you a product of?

I dislike the spelling and grammar Nazis as much as the next guy, but I can only take so much. It's called English. Learn it.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

You obviously didn't ride up front. The paint that isn't wore off looks like it was painted on with a rag, and the collection of miscellaneous levers, switches, and instruments looks Soviet period. On the other hand you feel like you are riding in a tank and the lack of avionics cooling fans makes for a relatively quite ride. Overall pretty cool.

Hey now. That rag-painted, Soviet blue, hot-as-balls collection of oddball switches, gauges, and lights subsidized your Brazilian wonderjet and the jobs it provided, as did the pilots who fly it day in and day out.

So... Be nice!

And, yeah, you're right. Overall, it's pretty cool.

 

[ATRCA]

I fly a modern aircraft so.................I have been in a WWII submarine before. Is it like that?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I fly a modern aircraft so.................I have been in a WWII submarine
before. Is it like that?

If you mean, "Does it leak?" or "Does it make funny, slightly discomforting groaning noises?", then yes.

If you mean, "Do you have to endure endless depth charging and harassment from Nazi U-Boats?", then no.

 

[WSurf]

Makes you a very good instrument pilot also.

If you have to worry about making yourself a good instrument pilot at this point, we should all be worried.

 

[viper548]

If you have to worry about making yourself a good instrument pilot at this point, we should all be worried.

When you get into an airplane with glass and an autopilot you'll understand how instrument skills can deteriorate. My 7 year old can follow a flight director.

 

[WSurf]

I believe the DC 9 has a flight director. So what your point?

Going from Glass to Steam Gauges requires a different scan, but its all the same. You either got it or you don't.

 

[MJ42]

I believe the DC 9 has a flight director. So what your point?

Going from Glass to Steam Gauges requires a different scan, but its all the same. You either got it or you don't.

You still don't get it. I see you came back for more abuse.

Several NWA newbies are having trouble transitioning from glass to steam gauges. No "pictures" on the MFD to follow. All you have is an HSI and RMI, period! Things such as holds and NDB approaches(yes, we do NDB approaches) have to be re-taught in the sim. Therefore....they are becoming better instrument pilots. Autopilot and FD in the 9 are primitive at best and don't "talk" to each other. Autopilot has no Alt capture, only Alt hold. You probably would have less trouble with the transition because of your Dash experience, but the 9 can be a hand full if you let it. It's old technology that demands good skills.

I don't know why you insist on commenting about the 9 when you are clueless about the subject.

 

[MJ42]

If you have to worry about making yourself a good instrument pilot at this point, we should all be worried.

Another dumb post, I see you're still pointing that machine gun at yourself. Some guys never learn, too bad.

 

[Raskal]

Trust me, instrument "skills" do deteriorate in a glass cockpit. I went from flying dual fms glass in jets for five years and just recently transitioned to a single, first generation fms setup in a turboprop (which is still more advanced than the dc-9) and it took some adjustment. Whether you notice it or not, glass does take a ton of work out of flying-but it has nothing to do with your "skills" as a pilot.