NWA flow back into compass.

[DrewBlows]

Assuming this guy just makes guarantee (68 hours) at NWA he currently makes right around $9800/month. Me thinks he was pulling your leg. I do agree though that there is little reason to stay when you can make just as much in retirement as you can working.

I mistyped. He makes $11,000 now and would make $8,000 if he retired.

 

[WSurf]

What gives you the idea I work for NWA, Sherlock? Um, maybe my profile???

You "see" we would speed the process up, huh... source for that bit of wisdom? Clue:you ain't a source.

Delta deal not going through? Another epiphany from the all knowing WSurf? You better clean off your crystal ball, it's a bit cloudy. Here's a clue...no announcement on a deal or no deal yet. It may or may not happen, but one thing is sure-YOU DON'T KNOW(unless you are on either negoc. committee, which is unlikely).

You're sorry that I work for NWA, huh. Let me enlighten you, it's a good group of pilots here. I'm in a great position, and I'm HAPPY...merger or not. Not saying things can't improve, but not a bad place to hang my hat.

How's life in the Dash 8? Who do you work for again, is it Mesa or some other quality outfit that flies the dash? Oh, just saw the small print on your avtar. Sorry-Piedmont-another quality regional. Maybe if you're lucky you can work your way up to Airways and fly the E-190.

You're clueless because you're spouting off about things you have no info on, I guess that's just the norm on FI.

Now that's entertainment at its best.... LOL

 

[MJ42]

Now that's entertainment at its best.... LOL

Just goes to show you have no clue. What's the matter, can't back statements in your posts. I guess it's hard since there are no facts in your post. Pitiful.

 

[WSurf]

Just goes to show you have no clue. What's the matter, can't back statements in your posts. I guess it's hard since there are no facts in your post. Pitiful.

Dude, half the post on this board are not facts. If you want hard facts maybe you should try www.iamadorkpilotiwantfacts.com

Easy on the sauce, take a deep breath and you'll be okay. You my friend are too easy to get worked up. Kinda funny however.

90% of the post on this board are peoples opinions. If an opionion gets you that worked up, oh well. Maybe you need more time with the same or oposite sex.

 

[Superpilot92]

With gas prices going out of control I would doubt that the gas guzzling DC-9's will be around by Summers end.

If that happens, then you can start worrying about a flowback.

boring !! another non-fact based opinion from someone who is not familiar or part of the companies in question.

 

[MJ42]

Dude, half the post on this board are not facts. If you want hard facts maybe you should try www.iamadorkpilotiwantfacts.com

Easy on the sauce, take a deep breath and you'll be okay. You my friend are too easy to get worked up. Kinda funny however.

90% of the post on this board are peoples opinions. If an opionion gets you that worked up, oh well. Maybe you need more time with the same or oposite sex.

Dude, I just corrected your original post. Your the one that got worked up. You make no sense, I just called you on it.

I have no problem with opinions on this board. What's funny is that you have no stake in what happens at Compass or NWA yet you had to chime in with stupidity.

For anyone else who cares, Compass seems like a good deal. Flowbacks are obviously a possibility but in my OPINION unlikely. Also, NWA pilots seem to want flow-ups. I think it has the potential to work, unlike Eagle or other past flow-up bait to solicit new regional pilots. Please learn from people like WSurf, you can look very stupid when you have no clue about things you post (which also goes for numerous others on FI). I guess it's good they're anonymous, their stupidity is only reflected on FI. Now that's some funny sh!t, WSurf!

P.S. sorry to disappoint you but...I love women(except fat ones)!

 

[WSurf]

First off, whats wrong with saying that NW will park DC9's at a faster rate if fuel goes thru the roof? How did you call me out on that??????? Just a simple statement, by a simple person. It either happens or it doesn't.

Second, I never said Compass was a bad deal. And if I did say Comass was a bad deal, where was my quote????? (maybe you should think before you post, or qoute others) I think Comapss is a great model, and more majors should do it. (US Airways and MidAtlantic tried it, but failed on our side. Finicial Reasons of course. But a mainline carrier operating its own express is a good deal for everyone (Usually).

You son are the one that made my simple statement more than what it was. Go back and read my post. I kinda understand whats going on now. I made that simple post about NW, fuel keeps going up then theres a chance they will start parking DC9's at a faster rate. You are on the DC9 and of course this statement hits home for you. That must be why you got all worked up. Sorry, my statement sent you over the edge to call me uninformed and stupid. It wasn't a personal attack on you and your airplane and sorry if it made you feel that.

You can also go back and read all your opionions that you shared with people from different airlines. Just becasue I fly for Piedmont, means I can't comment on Eagle, AirTran, NW, Delta.... or even bash Mesa. Now that is funny.

Please son, don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun.

 

[MJ42]

First off, whats wrong with saying that NW will park DC9's at a faster rate if fuel goes thru the roof? How did you call me out on that??????? Just a simple statement, by a simple person. It either happens or it doesn't.

Second, I never said Compass was a bad deal. And if I did say Comass was a bad deal, where was my quote????? (maybe you should think before you post, or qoute others) I think Comapss is a great model, and more majors should do it. (US Airways and MidAtlantic tried it, but failed on our side. Finicial Reasons of course. But a mainline carrier operating its own express is a good deal for everyone (Usually).

You son are the one that made my simple statement more than what it was. Go back and read my post. I kinda understand whats going on now. I made that simple post about NW, fuel keeps going up then theres a chance they will start parking DC9's at a faster rate. You are on the DC9 and of course this statement hits home for you. That must be why you got all worked up. Sorry, my statement sent you over the edge to call me uninformed and stupid. It wasn't a personal attack on you and your airplane and sorry if it made you feel that.

You can also go back and read all your opionions that you shared with people from different airlines. Just becasue I fly for Piedmont, means I can't comment on Eagle, AirTran, NW, Delta.... or even bash Mesa. Now that is funny.

Please son, don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun.

Listen son, unless I took your post out of context, it was a cheap shot at NWA and/or Compass. I don't mind the shot, if it were true, but your opinion was stupid and I called you on it. At least 2 others, Viper and Superpilot, thought your post was wrong.

Second reason you're and idiot...About Compass, where did I quote you? I was getting back to the original topic for those that were interested.

Third...where are these posts you talk about? I absolutely have my opinions, base on facts and not thin air. I have no problem with opinions on this board. That is what it's for. Yours was just so far off, on a subject you know nothing about, so I corrected you.

I can handle "machine guns" tough guy. You're pathetic!

 

[ifly4food]

What's the lease payment on a plane the size of a DC-9? Somewhere north of $100K/mo. Those DC-9's are paid for, yeah they burn more fuel but is it $100K/mo. more than a similar sized aircraft? probably not

Bingo.

 

[viper548]

Listen son, unless I took your post out of context, it was a cheap shot at NWA and/or Compass. I don't mind the shot, if it were true, but your opinion was stupid and I called you on it. At least 2 others, Viper and Superpilot, thought your post was wrong.

Second reason you're and idiot...About Compass, where did I quote you? I was getting back to the original topic for those that were interested.

Third...where are these posts you talk about? I absolutely have my opinions, base on facts and not thin air. I have no problem with opinions on this board. That is what it's for. Yours was just so far off, on a subject you know nothing about, so I corrected you.

I can handle "machine guns" tough guy. You're pathetic!

People on this board tend to try to justify their career decisions by putting down others who do something different. People also tend to turn against a company that did not hire them. Pocono is the perfect example of this.
Wsurf may be perfectly content being in a dash-8 for the rest of his career. That's fine, he's trying to justify his decision by bashing those going to NWA or Compass.

I would rather be furloughed from NWA than stay in a turboprop making $60K for the rest of my career. Yeah, there's a lot of risk associated with leaving the top of the seniority list at a regional to be at the bottom of the list at a major. There are many reasons for staying put in a job where you have decent seniority but you're never gonna get anywhere in this industry unless you take a risk every now and then.

 

[flyboyike]

Dude, half the post on this board are not facts.

Half?

 

[WSurf]

Too funny! How did I bash NW or Compass?? Please quote anything I said that Bashed NW or Compass. Just by saying that if the price of fuel goes up that DC-9's could get parked at a faster rate.

What, Where and When!

LOL

 

[Terry Hunter]

With gas prices going out of control I would doubt that the gas guzzling DC-9's will be around by Summers end.

If that happens, then you can start worrying about a flowback.

First off, we all know that talking about NWA DC-9's and their fate is a horse that has been beaten to a pulp, so it's old when someone thinks they are trailblazing a news story down the same path. (Is anyone else tired of seeing "BREAKING NEWS" at the bottom of the CNN screen, continuously?)

2nd... You have one opinion (gas prices going out of control) and two speculations that follow in the post above. The first opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high, but is it out-of-control? Hence, the two speculations lose credibility.

3rd... if we apply business sense to this... NWA couldn't just dissolve a fleet over a few months, it would leave a hole so big in this incredibly tight market.

 

[MJ42]

First off, we all know that talking about NWA DC-9's and their fate is a horse that has been beaten to a pulp, so it's old when someone thinks they are trailblazing a news story down the same path. (Is anyone else tired of seeing "BREAKING NEWS" at the bottom of the CNN screen, continuously?)

2nd... You have one opinion (gas prices going out of control) and two speculations that follow in the post above. The first opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high, but is it out-of-control? Hence, the two speculations lose credibility.

3rd... if we apply business sense to this... NWA couldn't just dissolve a fleet over a few months, it would leave a hole so big in this incredibly tight market.

Exactly, good post!...See Wsurf, everyone else seems to get it. It's not about your opinion, you made a blatantly inaccurate STATEMENT on a subject where you have no information except for what you read on FI.

"Please son, don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun." WSurf...Let me give you some advice from someone who has handled many a firearm: RULE #1: When holding a gun make sure to point AWAY from self. Got it WSurf?

Debate over. Take care WSurf.

 

[Smarta$$]

You guys are ganging up on wsurf for no reason. He has an opinion, and is entitled to have said opinion. His concerns are valid, and you don't know what the future holds for the cost of fuel or the future of the DC9. You here what NW is CURRENTLY saying about the 9, but you have no idea what they might decide tommorrow.

You my be sick of hearing this arguement, but that doesn't mean you know the diffinative outcome.

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

 

[MJ42]

You guys are ganging up on wsurf for know reason. (Yes, I know) He has an opinion, and is entitled to have said opinion. His concerns are valid,(He works for Piedmont, not NWA or Compass. Why is he concerned about us? Based on his posts he obviously doesn't want to work at either company.) and you don't know the what the future holds for the cost of fuel or the future of the DC9.(I have better info on the DC-9 retirements.) You here(Where, who?) what NW is CURRENTLY saying about the 9, but you have no idea what they might decide tommorrow.

You my be sick of hearing this arguement, but that doesn't mean you know the diffinative outcome.

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

Your post was a bit hard to follow because of the 3rd grade level grammar skills but...

Tools? He posted an inaccurate STATEMENT with no info or stake in the matter. No one knows the outcome, but some of us have better knowledge of the situation(i.e. those of us that fly the 9 at NWA).

 

[viper548]

Northwest management is waiting on a replacement for the DC9. It sounds like they are leaning toward the BBD-C-series, but it won't be out for years. Maybe some current DC9 guys can chime in here, but from what I've seen the -9 does routes less than 2 hours, where fuel burn doesn't make as much difference as it would on longer flights. Yes the -9 isn't fuel efficient but they have new interiors, new paint and are perfectly capable of getting the job done until a suitable replacement is found.

 

[Terry Hunter]

You are both tools. Gas prices are obviously out of control recently. It does not take a genious to see that oil has tripled in five years. Has any of our wages tripled in the last five years for a comparable position?

I'll repeat... You have an opinion (gas prices going out of control). The opinion is perhaps not one shared by others, and thus could be deemed sensationalism. Yes, oil is priced high (higher than we want it, that's for sure), but is it out-of-control?

If helping to identify differing opinions makes me a "tool", so be it. I guess someone has to be one.

 

[LawReview]

What's the lease payment on a plane the size of a DC-9? Somewhere north of $100K/mo. Those DC-9's are paid for, yeah they burn more fuel but is it $100K/mo. more than a similar sized aircraft? probably not[/QUOT

Last year I was involve in aircraft acquisitions. Specifically the B737-800/700. Current lease prices from CIT/IFLC/etc. are around 420,000 - 400,000 USD/mo.

You can pay for a lot of fuel with that. Specifically with the short stage length (high frequency) of the DC9.

 

[viper548]

Just some rough math here. Suppose a DC-9 flies 8 hours a day. That's 240 hours per month. Lets say it burns 5000/lbs per hour. That equals 1.2M lbs/6.7= 179,100 Gal per month. At $3/gal that's $537,300 per month for fuel. Even if a new airplane burns half as much fuel as the DC-9 the lease payment is gonna shoot the operating cost through the roof. Of course the DC9 would have higher maintenance costs but until they get to be up near the cost of leasing a newer plane it makes sense just to keep flying the DC9