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nwaredtail said:
If thats your logic, what about those gas guzzling, old 767's? or MD-80's? GMAFB. Dpn't get too cocky about Anderson. NWA is 30% small than DAL, yet has more cah and made more money last year, along with higher margins. You need us much more than we need you.

No, I don't think we will get together, unless there is SLI arbitration.
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Gas guzzling 767s? The A330 is better? How about our 764s? Our 767-300ERs carry cargo and we fill them up with pax and make a mint going to Europe. Gas guzzling MD88s? They carry more pax and can pay off the fixed costs sooner than any DC9. The FMS also allows for more direct routings, saving gas, especially compared to your "I'm lost, I need a heading to Gopher" DC9s. UPS has parked all of their 747-100/200s, and they make a bunch more money than you do. Every established Pacific Rim cargo carrier is switching the 744s in for the 742s. If you do that, your 742s will go to the boneyard.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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"Under DAL's propasals, a 2003 hire, would be next to a 1989 hire at NWA, but thats fair because we have "old" dc-9's? "

Another genious...[/quote]



No pilot were hired at DAL from mid 01 until 07... Interesting spin...
 
General Lee said:
Gas guzzling 767s? The A330 is better? How about our 764s? Our 767-300ERs carry cargo and we fill them up with pax and make a mint going to Europe. Gas guzzling MD88s? They carry more pax and can pay off the fixed costs sooner than any DC9. The FMS also allows for more direct routings, saving gas, especially compared to your "I'm lost, I need a heading to Gopher" DC9s. UPS has parked all of their 747-100/200s, and they make a bunch more money than you do. Every established Pacific Rim cargo carrier is switching the 744s in for the 742s. If you do that, your 742s will go to the bonyard.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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Yet, NWA still has more cash, better margins, less debt and better revenue and earning with all those old airplanes. HMMMMM???? Wonder why your current CEO liked the DC-9 so much when he was at NWA? Was he an idiot then and now he's the savior now that he's at DAL?

Comparing NWA to UPS. Good one.

Airlines park airplanes, buy airplanes at different cycles Einstein. How about when the 787's come, we fence those off from DAL pilots since you have no orders?
 
TV9Driver said:
It's nice to see 2 ALPA carriers setting an example of fair merger policy. Geez.... ALPA is useless.
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That's exactly what they're trying to do. Just because it hasn't been resolved in a week doesn't mean that it won't happen. Patience is a virtue.
 
Wow! You boys are chumming the water now that it looks like there'll be no merge? WTF?
I can only imagine how brutal this is going to get if a merge does take place. Should it happen, it'd be more efficient to go straight to arbitration.
 
nwaredtail said:
Yet, NWA still has more cash, better margins, less debt and better revenue and earning with all those old airplanes. HMMMMM???? Wonder why your current CEO liked the DC-9 so much when he was at NWA? Was he an idiot then and now he's the savior now that he's at DAL?

Comparing NWA to UPS. Good one.

Airlines park airplanes, buy airplanes at different cycles Einstein. How about when the 787's come, we fence those off from DAL pilots since you have no orders?
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No orders? I guess the 2 777LRs we get this month don't count, along with the 6 more we get within 3 months early next year? When are those 787s coming again? Wrong. Boeing will delay it again, and again. And your company has soooo much more cash and less debt? We both just got out of BK. Get over yourself. We are both in better shape than most legacy carriers.

I guess you can use all of that "extra cash" to buy gas for your DC9s and 742s, and not get it for yourselves. Oh well.... That is pure "genious."

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
nwaredtail said:
Thanks not correct at all . Do you believe everything you hear Einstein? You guys enjoyed a mass retirement recently and there is NO way that the NWA guys will give up the chance to do the same over the next 5-10 years.
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Hey Einstein.....Do you realize that over the next 15 years Delta will actually have more retirements than NWA?
Probably not, but don't let facts get in the way!

737
 
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I guess you can use all of that "extra cash" to buy gas for your DC9s and 742s, and not get it for yourselves. Oh well.... That is pure "genious."

Remember, your CEO, LOVED the $ numbers of the DC-9. Change the record. BTW, you never gave me your employee number so I could check your movement on the DAL seniority list.

Bye Bye--General Lee[/QUOTE]
 
nwaredtail said:
30% raise still gives us a 20% paycut from old rates. Would probably give it back and more when Anderson cries BK again. 14% DC, I get 18% NOW. RJ'S capped? again, for now. Delta guys lead in the industry in giving away scope. 75% in equity? What kind? Stock? Options? Ask the UAL guys how that worked out.

Under DAL's propasals, a 2003 hire, would be next to a 1989 hire at NWA, but thats fair because we have "old" dc-9's?

Another genious...
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Who's the real genius numbnuts?
Delta didn't hire in 2003!
There was a hiring gap, much like the one in your hollow head, between 2001-2007!
Again, don't let facts get in the way!
737
 
737 Pylt said:
Hey Einstein.....Do you realize that over the next 15 years Delta will actually have more retirements than NWA?
Probably not, but don't let facts get in the way!

737
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Like I want to wait 15 frickin years to get my seniority back.

but at least I would have a Uboat commander costume for Halloween.....
 
Hey, there is nothing like a perfect record.

26 Seniority list arbitrations with never an agreement.
 
nwaredtail said:
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I guess you can use all of that "extra cash" to buy gas for your DC9s and 742s, and not get it for yourselves. Oh well.... That is pure "genious."

Remember, your CEO, LOVED the $ numbers of the DC-9. Change the record. BTW, you never gave me your employee number so I could check your movement on the DAL seniority list.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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Did your old CEO love the $ on the DC9s before or after high gas? When was he at your airline again? How much was gas back then? Have you asked him the same question now? From what I had heard from our own honchos down here, the -9s were GONE. (MD90s to replace them infact). You know, the MD90s that are more fuel efficient, have an FMS so you don't bother ATC, and the ones that can carrier more pax to try to pay for the fuel?

And my seniority would have been above yours I bet, and if this thing doesn't go through I bet I will be a Captain before you. My 9 month seat hold on the 7ER is almost up.....(we are still expanding BTW, with more planes and new routes---means upgrades for us)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Did your old CEO love the $ on the DC9s before or after high gas? [/quote]

General, just to tag on, it's not just the price of gas, it's the cycles. Many of the DC-9s are running out of cycles on the airframes. Occam posted on it a while back I believe.
 
General, just to tag on, it's not just the price of gas, it's the cycles. Many of the DC-9s are running out of cycles on the airframes. Occam posted on it a while back I believe.
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Yup, most of them will time out by 2025.
 

Did your old CEO love the $ on the DC9s before or after high gas? When was he at your airline again? How much was gas back then? Have you asked him the same question now? From what I had heard from our own honchos down here, the -9s were GONE. (MD90s to replace them infact). You know, the MD90s that are more fuel efficient, have an FMS so you don't bother ATC, and the ones that can carrier more pax to try to pay for the fuel?

And my seniority would have been above yours I bet, and if this thing doesn't go through I bet I will be a Captain before you. My 9 month seat hold on the 7ER is almost up.....(we are still expanding BTW, with more planes and new routes---means upgrades for us)


Bye Bye--General Lee[/QUOTE]
Sorry Tiger, already a Captain on that POS DC-9. Pretty sure I will be senior to you either way, which gives me just a wee but of satisfaction.
 
nwaredtail said:
Did your old CEO love the $ on the DC9s before or after high gas? When was he at your airline again? How much was gas back then? Have you asked him the same question now? From what I had heard from our own honchos down here, the -9s were GONE. (MD90s to replace them infact). You know, the MD90s that are more fuel efficient, have an FMS so you don't bother ATC, and the ones that can carrier more pax to try to pay for the fuel?

And my seniority would have been above yours I bet, and if this thing doesn't go through I bet I will be a Captain before you. My 9 month seat hold on the 7ER is almost up.....(we are still expanding BTW, with more planes and new routes---means upgrades for us)


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Sorry Tiger, already a Captain on that POS DC-9. Pretty sure I will be senior to you either way, which gives me just a wee but of satisfaction.[/quote]

I hear DC9 Captain isn't that senior. I can hold MD88 by a mile, but am waiting for the 737-800, which pays a lot more than your DC9.(what doesn't?) So, if an arbitrator ever looks at this, I am sure he will look at pay rates too. Anything is better than what your guys are selling now, and unlikely that would stick. Your satisfaction could be short lived....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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MXAV8R said:
DAMN YOU JUST GOT OWNED!!!
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Yeah, because having RNAV or not makes all the difference in this job...:rolleyes:

Way to keep things professional, guys. Instead of finding middle ground and having productive discourse like the career aviators you claim to be, some of you are resorting to Regionals-board style "My airline is better/more profitable/bigger than yours" and "My jet is bigger/shiner than yours" nonsense.

Regardless if one things this deal would have been good or bad for you and your side, its really too bad the intarwebs couldn't keep stuff cordial...but then again I guess this is Flightinfo.
 
BoilerUP said:
Yeah, because having RNAV or not makes all the difference in this job...:rolleyes:

Way to keep things professional, guys. Instead of finding middle ground and having productive discourse like the career aviators you claim to be, some of you are resorting to Regionals-board style "My airline is better/more profitable/bigger than yours" and "My jet is bigger/shiner than yours" nonsense.

Regardless if one things this deal would have been good or bad for you and your side, its really too bad the intarwebs couldn't keep stuff cordial...but then again I guess this is Flightinfo.
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Oh come on now. This is all in good fun. If I got upset every time someone slammed me, we would have no drought here in ATL thanks to all of my crying.... I enjoy the banter.

And, an FMS really does help with fuel efficiency. It can accurately give you direct headings with wind corrections that can save money over time....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
BoilerUP said:
Yeah, because having RNAV or not makes all the difference in this job...:rolleyes:

Way to keep things professional, guys. Instead of finding middle ground and having productive discourse like the career aviators you claim to be, some of you are resorting to Regionals-board style "My airline is better/more profitable/bigger than yours" and "My jet is bigger/shiner than yours" nonsense.

Regardless if one things this deal would have been good or bad for you and your side, its really too bad the intarwebs couldn't keep stuff cordial...but then again I guess this is Flightinfo.
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My Penis IS bigger than yours...and SHINER too...
 
I just popped some popcorn and cracked open a cold one anyone else wanna' join me!!!! Now the amusement can continue. :beer:
 

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