Nwa Amfa Hangs Alone, You Are Next

[dbrownie]

I forgot about that. How many times was NWA the one who shot down a fare increase? They have made huge blunders over there and now labor is paying for it.

Mgt's "last man standing" strategy was no doubt a "loser move".

They kept teling us that they couldn't raise fares but yet have done it 4 times this year. Too little too late.

They do expect labor to pay for their blunders.

Dave B

 

[AA717driver]

If what you all are saying is true (I'm not disputing that) then the NWA pilots should give themselves a 1.98% raise by dumping ALPA.

The course they "must" take removes the entire reason for having a union. Already you have huge backlogs of grievances (Who initially benefits from a CBA violation? The company of course.). Now, you have the union admitting more concessions are coming--and they can't do a thing to stop it.

Give me a reason for ALPA to be on the property anywhere. TC

 

[h25b]

If what you all are saying is true (I'm not disputing that) then the NWA pilots should give themselves a 1.98% raise by dumping ALPA.

The course they "must" take removes the entire reason for having a union. Already you have huge backlogs of grievances (Who initially benefits from a CBA violation? The company of course.). Now, you have the union admitting more concessions are coming--and they can't do a thing to stop it.

Give me a reason for ALPA to be on the property anywhere. TC

I love fellow "de-programmed" former union members... A couple years surviving the corporate side will do that for you..

 

[ExAF]

Check Your Facts

Question for the pilot group with all due respect
You folks have 12% on furlough with recall rights and have taken a pay cut. No pilot at NWA is making less than 120 k. Most are making more.

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? There are A LOT of pilots at NWA that don't make 120K. Mabe most captains make more but not the FOs. They've already taken a 15% cut and the initial start from the company for round 2 is another 35% and 1800 more furloughs. That's before they rape the work rules.

Jim: Your post is right on the money.

 

[TonyC]

Wouldn't a "lockout" have to occur before scabs could be given permanant positions?

Isn't that effectively what occurred when NWA started sending mechanics home early Friday evening?




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[Redmeat]

Isn't that effectively what occurred when NWA started sending mechanics home early Friday evening?




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Actually, no. Any AMFA mechanic can return to work at this very moment if that person agrees to NWA management terms, which are even worse than the so called "final best offer". Of course none have nor probably will.

 

[73belair]

For F'ing sake! Raise the ticket price according to the fuel price!! Thats IT. We won't have to fire people left and right. Why does NWA continue to buck eveyone else when they try to raise the price? And why do the others give up to NWA?

 

[canyonblue]

And why do the others give up to NWA?

The $1,000,000 question.

 

[Ace McCoy]

They've already taken a 15% cut

Don't forget that 15% was after a 10% raise. About the only raise anyone got after 9/11

 

[Tim47SIP]

LCC structurees

For F'ing sake! Raise the ticket price according to the fuel price!! Thats IT. We won't have to fire people left and right. Why does NWA continue to buck eveyone else when they try to raise the price? And why do the others give up to NWA?


It's called COMPETITION! As long as SWA is fuel hedged at their very low rates, they set the ticket prices. Jet Blue is still young and its cost structure reflects that. The rest of the legacy carriers have to keep their ticket prices in check with the competition or they lose even more than they are now. I would think that SWA could raise prices and still be the lowest price out there. It would be pure profit. Airline economics, its pure voodo!

 

[flint4xx]

It's called COMPETITION! As long as SWA is fuel hedged at their very low rates, they set the ticket prices.

I agree about competition, but SW doesn't compete with NW on most of its routes, so I think blaming SW is a little bit unfair.

For F'ing sake! Raise the ticket price according to the fuel price!! Thats IT. We won't have to fire people left and right. Why does NWA continue to buck eveyone else when they try to raise the price? And why do the others give up to NWA?

You need to study airline economics 101. This isn't a new idea. If you raise the the price too much, people stop flying on your airline. The delicate balance between filling seats and making money on them is what this is all about. Fill the seats and make no money or don't fill the seats...either one is bad for business. The bean counters have made a science out of this. They monitor trends in bookings and the second a price increase is announced, the bookings fall off as tickets are bought on the competition. aka "free market economy".

 

[canyonblue]

I would think that SWA could raise prices and still be the lowest price out there. It would be pure profit.

The problem with fares is not that they are competing with Southwest, it's that they are competing with the other Legacy morons that are engaged in economic suicide. The last great game of chicken to see who can knock who off the mountain. Our ticket prices are set so that we MAKE a profit, unfortunately the egos that be are trying to out do each other. Until every airline raises their fares to a level that ensures profitability, this trend will continue. If that price is $40 more than Southwest so be it, someone will just have to start sucking it up and realizing that with our productivity and fuel hedges, we have a clear advantage.

 

[Dizel8]

NWA management is playing this one "beatifully". First, sign a deal with the group that has the most to lose and is the hardest to replace. Then take on the smallest union, who has little support from the rest and no support from the IAM due to politics . To further show resolve, start showing the F/A's, that replacement workers are being trained. It is quite the plan indeed, apparently being condoned by the White House, since NWA asked that a PEB should not be invoked.

The biggest loser here, besides the AMFA members, will be the F/A's, because NWA will soon make some serious demands on them. It is therefore very sad, that the F/A's has chosen not to support AMFA!

 

[ExAF]

Your Point?

Don't forget that 15% was after a 10% raise. About the only raise anyone got after 9/11

Ace...your point is.....? That 10% was to buy time for both sides. If you want to bring in past raises, look and see what the raises were in the last AMFA contract (hint: way more than 10%). Both are water under the bridge and neither have any bearing on what is going on now. I happen to support the AMFA folks. Many of them are my neighbors and friends. I wasn't trying to fan the flames, I was just pointing out some erroneous facts presented in the initial post in the thread regarding what the pilots make at NWA. I think there is already enough misinformation flying around without posting numbers pulled out of somone's rectum as facts.

 

[Ace McCoy]

I think there is already enough misinformation flying around without posting numbers pulled out of somone's rectum as facts.

What numbers are wrong? 10% raise in Sept 2002...15% cut last year. And that means NWA pilots have taken the smallest pay cut of any legacy carrier since 9/11.

I think the misleading number is the 15% cut when you don't mention the 10% raise a couple of years before.