NTSB info on SWA at LGA crash

[nordo_2]

Those are great questions counselor. Let me explain how we handle the avoidance pilots:

We hire a team of specialists that almost exclusively fly with high avoidance pilots. We call these pilots "reserves". Reserves can put up with more ******************** than 10 normal humans and 100 pilots. We have a rigorous program to break a reserve. First we tell them they will be off Reserve in a short time "6 months or a year", then we keep them on reserve for 5-10 years. If we have a trip that reports at 10 AM we will call the reserve at 3 AM to ensure they are never well rested. The trip is always a real pile of crap we put together by taking several pieces of our "high avoidance" pilots trip and splitting it up. Once broken these reserves are truly the best.
1. Clear right
2. You're right
3. I'll take the fat one
You want to hire a clown then you have to hire some reserves! The system isn't perfect. Even the best reserve can crack. When they do, accidents happen. They are the thin red line between bad hiring, and accidents.

Just out of curiosity was the FO a reserve?

Reserves aren't completely powerless. The avoidance list for a line holder is a nice clean way to stay away from the honey badger type. And some airlines don't have one. You can make your own bid avoidance list. Takes some work on your part.

 

[ArcticFlier]

At my airline, SOP is that a go around is mandatory if a transfer of control is required below 500' except in cases of pilot incapacitation. Not sure what SWA policy is.

Just curious if you guys do Cat II approaches and how you handle them.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm dumbfounded that some people on here are admitting they do not know or have a clear understanding of their own SOPs in regards to company stabilization procedures.. Now I understand why there's a recurring problem with accidents involving landing at SWA? You guys are really true cowboys from the Wild West!!!

Based upon your previous posts, I'm going to assume that you are serious. a big stretch, considering the goofiness of your posts, but hey, you could be Instructordude posting under an alias to add to the general hilarity around here.

I'm not a SWA Pilot . . . yet.

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.

If any of the above changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, if I want any crap out of you, I'll squeeze your neck. Copy?

 

[chris69]

Based upon your previous posts, I'm going to assume that you are serious. a big stretch, considering the goofiness of your posts, but hey, you could be Instructordude posting under an alias to add to the general hilarity around here.

I'm not a SWA Pilot . . . yet.

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.

If any of the above changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, if I want any crap out of you, I'll squeeze your neck. Copy?

All hail Ty!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Based upon your previous posts, I'm going to assume that you are serious. a big stretch, considering the goofiness of your posts, but hey, you could be Instructordude posting under an alias to add to the general hilarity around here.

I'm not a SWA Pilot . . . yet.

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or



one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.



If any of the above changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, if I want any crap out of you, I'll squeeze your neck. Copy?

Or get off the bar and take the Pole Exam.....oh wait....

 

[freightdogfred]

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.

Them gurls kinfolk, or blood relatives?

Wonderin if we're payin the same two girls

 

[say again]

Based upon your previous posts, I'm going to assume that you are serious. a big stretch, considering the goofiness of your posts, but hey, you could be Instructordude posting under an alias to add to the general hilarity around here.

I'm not a SWA Pilot . . . yet.

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.

If any of the above changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, if I want any crap out of you, I'll squeeze your neck. Copy?

:beer::laugh:

BTW-Where are these cuties riding the pole?

 

[General Lee]

Based upon your previous posts, I'm going to assume that you are serious. a big stretch, considering the goofiness of your posts, but hey, you could be Instructordude posting under an alias to add to the general hilarity around here.

I'm not a SWA Pilot . . . yet.

I am, however, in my tenth year as a 737 Captain, and have, so far, maintained a spotless record that I hope continues, until I retire, or one of the two cuties I am putting through law school get off the pole and take the Bar exam.

If any of the above changes, I'll let you know. In the meantime, if I want any crap out of you, I'll squeeze your neck. Copy?

Man, for a second there, that reminded me how you used to talk to me. .. We really used to get into it. I'm glad we don't anymore, and I hope your transition over to the dark side goes well.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

GL got a man crush on you Ty....

 

[DCAA320]

gl got a man crush on you ty....

y u c k !!!!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

See, there is the problem RIGHT THERE. Where was the "Wind Check" call? Crews should ask every 300 feet to be safe! We all know that...


Bye Bye---General Lee

Won't save you from landing on a taxiway......

 

[Holy Shiite]

Serious lack of airmanship here. Landing on the nosegear means they were probably way over ref speed. If not then it was a controlled crash into the ground with no flare.

CVR will be very telling in this case. Sure sounds like this captain was widely hated and she has very poor flying skills. Thank God nobody was killed. HS

 

[Britpilot]

Won't save you from landing on a taxiway......

Well played.:beer:

 

[Whine Lover]

"As for your low fuel level theory, although I unequivocally disagree, it still does not explain the necessity for the Captain to assume control of the aircraft at 400ft instead of making the command decision to call for a Go-Around. "

Really? Always?

That would be a cool to watch....Let's say you're down to 2800 lbs in a 737 and not "stabilized" for whatever reason... you're going around?

Okay...." News at 11 "



YKW

 

[av8tordude23]

"As for your low fuel level theory, although I unequivocally disagree, it still does not explain the necessity for the Captain to assume control of the aircraft at 400ft instead of making the command decision to call for a Go-Around. "

Really? Always?

That would be a cool to watch....Let's say you're down to 2800 lbs in a 737 and not "stabilized" for whatever reason... you're going around?

Okay...." News at 11 "



YKW

If, as a Captain, you manage to fly an aircraft to a critical low fuel state situation and you opted to continue to your destination instead of diverting to an alternate, then some serious questions needs to be raised about your Captain leadership ability! Under IFR, you must have enough fuel to fly to your destination (and alternate if applicable), PLUS 45 minutes. If you have not seriously considered diverting once you reach 45 mins fuel remaining situation, then it clearly speaks volumes of your decisions making skills or lack there of.

Secondly, in this SWA accident, the Captain never reported Min Fuel or Critical Fuel (which the latter would trigger an automatic emergency ATC handling).

Thirdly, if this was a low fuel situation as you described it (which facts do not support your theory), why take the controls at such a low altitude? Evidently the FO managed to fly and stabilized the aircraft, with precision and pose, all the way down to the point the Captain took controls of the aircraft. Therefore there is absolutely no sound justification for the Captain to assume control of the aircraft!