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You're right that ALPA is no panacea, but that's not the question before us. The choice we have is between two different unions: ALPA or NPA. The NPA has been an unmitigated disaster. We have had 6 Presidents in the past 10 years, and there have already been several recall petitions for our current President. The average time that a rep serves is only 18 months, even though the terms for office are 2-3 years, depending on the office. Everyone either resigns or is recalled before the completion of their term. This is indicative of a complete structural problem. It's not just individual reps, the whole thing is f---ed up.

Is ALPA perfect? Nope. Is it better than what we've got? No question.


Well if you view recalls as a problem then ALPA is the solution that will be just peachy. ALPA will ignore requests to have a recall agenda item. And the National officers will obstruct recalls by neglecting to enforce the recall provision in the constitution.

To recall reps in ALPA you need to throw out the entire union.
 
Well if you view recalls as a problem then ALPA is the solution that will be just peachy. ALPA will ignore requests to have a recall agenda item. And the National officers will obstruct recalls by neglecting to enforce the recall provision in the constitution.

To recall reps in ALPA you need to throw out the entire union.


Where does the Nic award play in all of this that you say?
 
Well if you view recalls as a problem then ALPA is the solution that will be just peachy. ALPA will ignore requests to have a recall agenda item. And the National officers will obstruct recalls by neglecting to enforce the recall provision in the constitution.

To recall reps in ALPA you need to throw out the entire union.

If you dimwitted Easties would learn how to follow the recall procedures, then you could have had your damned recall vote. It's not ALPA's fault that you mouth breathers can't follow a simple procedure.
 
Where does the Nic award play in all of this that you say?

Your question is not germane to the issue of ALPA abiding by its constitution to place a recall item on the agenda upon proper request of a member in good standing. It was the experience of CLT pilots that ALPA denied them their right to recall, and ALPA national refused to enforce its own constitution.

ALPA is replete with the notion that members have to ask ALPA for permission to have the proper ALPA-approved opinion.

Keep propping up the rotten tree. :laugh:
 
If you dimwitted Easties would learn how to follow the recall procedures, then you could have had your damned recall vote. It's not ALPA's fault that you mouth breathers can't follow a simple procedure.

You would make a great senior ALPA rep. :D Since ALPA denies access to its own procedure we took the only recourse available. The NMB provided us the first chance to ever vote on brilliant, evolved elitists.

The NMB is so easy.. even an group of evolution challenged mouth breathers can do it.:D
 
Yeah these guys do not know the by laws at ALPA=

MEC Rules and can make all agreements without votes from the pilots!! ie Midwest !

PCL=Alpa was great for you at PCL=how was the resources for that contract that they still have not gotten.

Why are we running to an airline that other airlines are running from? where does the 3 million that NPA has in the bank go? ALPA NATIONAL?
 
Funny on the front page of majors

TWO MAJORS airlines hating ALPA. How does the 200-300 pilots that are hard core ALPA here, feel about this? You think hundreds or maybe thousands of pilots that have ALPA and do NOT LIKE THEM

DAL,CAL,PCL,MESA,ASA,UAL,Polar,COMAIR,TWA,MIDWEST..??
 
Yeah these guys do not know the by laws at ALPA=

MEC Rules and can make all agreements without votes from the pilots!! ie Midwest !

Not true. Every ALPA MEC now has a MEMRAT policy for contract ratification. Each MEC has a slightly different policy for ratification of side-letters, but all of them have significant restrictions.

PCL=Alpa was great for you at PCL=how was the resources for that contract that they still have not gotten.

ALPA resources were great at PCL. No one at Pinnacle ever feared for their job like pilots here do every day. I think you'll find that their new agreement will come very soon, and it will contain massive improvements.

Why are we running to an airline that other airlines are running from?

More airlines have joined ALPA than left in the last few years. There are no serious decert campaigns going on right now.

where does the 3 million that NPA has in the bank go? ALPA NATIONAL?

I already answered that for you in the other thread that you started: it stays in our own MEC accounts. Part of it will go into a special merger fund so we never have to be assessed in the case of a merger, and the rest will go in the Special MEC Reserve Account (basically the savings account).
 
More airlines have join ALPA in the last few years= OK Colgan...Skywest said no thanks..

PCL gettting a contract with ALPA resources you guys brag about= How many YEARS has it been. 3-5 years for the pinnacle pilots? ALPA is strong arming the management right?

Yeah ask the DAL pilots about their MEC power, Midwest MEC? UAL MEC? CAL MEC?
 
More airlines have join ALPA in the last few years= OK Colgan...Skywest said no thanks..

Colgan, Commutair, Capital Cargo, Evergreen, etc...

PCL gettting a contract with ALPA resources you guys brag about= How many YEARS has it been. 3-5 years for the pinnacle pilots? ALPA is strong arming the management right?

We're about to set the record for longest contract negotiations in RLA history here with the NPA, and you want to talk about how long the PCL guys have been negotiating? At least they're close to getting an agreement. We've only TA'd 5 crappy sections.

Yeah ask the DAL pilots about their MEC power, Midwest MEC? UAL MEC? CAL MEC?

I think you'd find that the vast majority of the pilots at those airlines are pretty happy with their ALPA representation and wouldn't want anything to do with an independent union.
 

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