now they finally pay attention.

[Flyer1015]

When regional pilots start acting like professionals then you can make that argument. These two were hardly "professional" pilots.

WE are professional. You are not.

 

[Brody1]

Just out of curiosity...what would be enough?

The problem is much more complex than meets the eye. Total time can range from nearly all VFR, to including mountain flying, cold weather and icing, etc. Does one want someone who flew out of base as an FO where the wx was mild most of the year, to upgrade in the northeast or the Rockies? Our current seniority system allows for this, and I've seen enough people upgrade who were unprepared for the transition. Ideally, we should all be aware of our limitations and not put ourselves in a situation where we don't have enough experience to draw from. We all know it doesn't work that way. We would have to make some major changes to the current system to ensure that 2500 hr VFR pilots don't upgrade and go to a base that has is far more challenging than they're used to. Again, we all know this won't happen.

To answer your question, I honestly don't know how many hrs of total time would be enough. It depends on the individual, and therein lies the problem.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

The terminal today is no different than a hallway in high school. It's filled with clique, immature pilots that dont' even have the courtesy say "hello" back to you.
It's all about looking the coolest. Kind of hard to be serious about your job when all you care about is how you look to other pilots or FA's.

 

[Flyer1015]

Or how about enforcing current requirements for an ATP? Of particular interest, "Of good moral character." Thank God there is no cut clear definition of "good moral character" because if there was, I can count quite a few guys who should never have been granted an ATP.

 

[jetjock6]

When regional pilots start acting like professionals then you can make that argument. These two were hardly "professional" pilots.

People in every walk of life and in every profession will do what ever they can get away with. This is a problem with lack of leadership.

This is so much more prevalent with regional carriers today because management is so wrapped around the axle with cutting cost that they have no more quality leadership.

 

[54fighting]

Airmanship has nothing to do with having a crisply pressed shirt. As I was told during military flight training, "we can teach a monkey to fly, what we need are people who can think and make decisions." You are a risk manager.

Looking presentable is just a small piece of the puzzle we call professionalism.

Remember it starts with YOU. You are the face of your airline.

 

[bacardi]

When regional pilots start acting like professionals then you can make that argument. These two were hardly "professional" pilots.

you are a tool.

 

[BrickTop]

you are a tool.

Definitely a sunglass on the head wearer.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Professional pilots deserve a professional wage.

These clowns weren't professionals.

Edit: Sorry, Just realized Browntothebone made the same comment.

 

[cheerios2]

Who gives a flying ******************** what they look like or If they say hi to you in the hallways girls.. would you rather have a doushbag who can fly? or someone who presses there shirt.. and cant...

 

[LazyLightnin']

Who gives a flying ******************** what they look like or If they say hi to you in the hallways girls.. would you rather have a doushbag who can fly? or someone who presses there shirt.. and cant...

That's actually a pretty tough call.

I mean, it would be awesome to fly with someone like Dave Matthews or Will Farrell for a month, and I'm pretty sure they suck at flying.

Are these dooshes from Riddle?

 

[LJ45]

I agree... stop taking jobs for that pay and the pay will go up. I turned down that crap pay in 1993 and have had a great corporate career since.

 

[Erlanger]

Regional pilot pay is the lead story on FOX News website.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520097,00.html

 

[FLYLOW22]

Who gives a flying ******************** what they look like or If they say hi to you in the hallways girls.. would you rather have a doushbag who can fly? or someone who presses there shirt.. and cant...

Funny that we need to CHOOSE now. It used to be that the flying public got both for the same price.

 

[Flybywire44]

If anyone has a problem with "unprofessional pilots" then do you stop them in the airport and tell them to their face that their shirt is wrinkled or that they need to shave, cut their hair and put on their hat? Do all you guys even wear your hats? Do you write professional standards? What is the professional standard these days?! Everything is so pluralistic that no one follows the many of the uniform rules or enforces them! IE... Most people at ASA do not wear the hat.

The truth is the regionals let this stuff go because they know how poorly they treat us. If we want the industry to change, we need to police it ourselves with common courtesy and professional manor. Delta holds their pilot group to the highest standard and they get paid more for that.

Bitching on FI won't change anything... IE. slandoring pilots behind their back does nothing to make them a better person. If a person don't try to make a pilot a better person by geniunly sharing concern for lack of professionalism than don't bother b*tching on here at all.

Change the problem, don't whine about it... I know we have a lot of time on our hands, but how old is this subject?

 

[HOMER D POE]

these two were hardly professional pilots

by brown to the bone..

I see alot of older legacy pilots with big ol bellys hanging over their belts....not all , but I see plenty...is this unprofessional too? can you be a fatslob, wear a starched shirt, be a good pilot and still be professional?

 

[CEO silly sap]

I would suggest the training department do the right thing and can some of these pilots, the CPs would do well. But last and surely not least, the Captain needs to set the standard for the cockpit.

If it takes you 108 hrs of IOE and three checkrides to figure out a how to fly a jet, you need to go back and get more time and more book time would help too.

 

[SEVEN]

Regional pilot pay is the lead story on FOX News website.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520097,00.html

Guess what? I bet you $20 the pay will not go up. Just a hunch.

 

[Erlanger]

Guess what? I bet you $20 the pay will not go up. Just a hunch.

Just a hunch? Well duh! I don't disagree with you. Besides I wouldn't bet you. I have to work a whole hour for that $20.

 

[Fred Rogers]

When regional pilots start acting like professionals then you can make that argument. These two were hardly "professional" pilots.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?