Nov 1st NJA? whats up???

[X-rated]

Anyone know the current number of active pilots and active airframes?

APC lists 2715 active pilots and 409 airframes or 6.64 pilots per plane. My guess is that is outdated information, but the actual number is undoubtedly what management uses to make pilot staffing decisions. Does the contract adress the ratio? I'm sure the pilots would love to see 7+ pilots per plane, and management would like to see 5.5.

 

[208starcheck]

I was at recurrent beginning of September. I had a 1 hour job shadow with the ACP on duty. He mentioned everyone was talking about something happening in November. I pushed for more details but he said he didn't know. I asked about a recall and he said he didn't think so. He did say we are understaffed for pilot, flight attendants, and just about every over department.

I pressed everyone I talked to about recall info. Only thing I heard was we are definitely short pilots and flight attendants but top management said no to recalls. EL also said we need more pilots NOW but was told no.

I know this is not helpful info but it's what I was told. I want the recall to happen as much as anyone. They were the best group of pilots we had. Their interview process was tough. Those guys worked hard and were smart. My interview consisted of fogging a mirror. We desperately need some young blood in the system, not the "I ride 3000 miles a year so I can work till I'm 80". I retarded chimp can ride 3000 miles and lift a car.

 

[Wankel7]

We desperately need some young blood in the system, not the "I ride 3000 miles a year so I can work till I'm 80". I retarded chimp can ride 3000 miles and lift a car.

Are we talking ride a motorcycle 3000 miles a year or ride a bicycle 3000 miles a year?

 

[Semore Butts]

"I ride 3000 miles a year so I can work till I'm 80".

Oh no you di-int! Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!


(Folks, he is actually 69)

So, here comes the thread hijack!

 

[BentOver]

Anyone know the current number of active pilots and active airframes?

APC lists 2715 active pilots and 409 airframes or 6.64 pilots per plane. My guess is that is outdated information, but the actual number is undoubtedly what management uses to make pilot staffing decisions. Does the contract adress the ratio? I'm sure the pilots would love to see 7+ pilots per plane, and management would like to see 5.5.

If the FAA website is accurate:

402 airframes
8 Globals
10 Phenoms


Last time I checked the FAA site, NJA was down to maybe 394-397 a/c

So they added 18 new a/c but had a net gain of around 7 or so total a/c

The contract absolutely addresses pilot/airframe ratio, but NJA is well above the minimum numbers so it is moot. Pilot count is around 2550 give or take. Current ratio seems to be around 6.3 +/-... in the good times the ratio was nearly identical...


Recalls could be around the corner if deliveries continue, but the real question is how many disposals are still coming? That could be why management is so hesitant. They know what still has to be disposed of and forecasting the needs further down the road.....

 

[Cavpilot]

"I ride 3000 miles a year so I can work till I'm 80"

HAHAHAHA! I had the same thought when I read that.

 

[B747Flyer]

The days of WB handing out dilly bars are gone. Same with the free coolers and backpacks.

You forgot the free suitcase...

 

[BuckMurdock1]

You forgot the free suitcase...

Or the two high-quality (expensive) "We are Family" photo albums we all received via FEdEx about a month before furloughs. Perhaps around the same time RTS donated from NJA like $14mil to jockey's club or whatever (while members of his "family" were being forced to declare personal bankruptcy due to layoffs)?.

 

[billybob]

I love that suitcase! It makes a good pillow, and holds change when I'm in begging on the corner. I had to take the Netjets tags off so I would get more money. No one will give to rich hobos.

Since the furlough the company has given me nothing, the union gave me a bag of d!cks. Well they did give me an update from the NBAA on day two so that makes up for three years of nothing so all is well.


Any new info out there? That darn helicptor is very loud outside of my house.

 

[X-rated]

The contract absolutely addresses pilot/airframe ratio, but NJA is well above the minimum numbers so it is moot. Pilot count is around 2550 give or take. Current ratio seems to be around 6.3 +/-... in the good times the ratio was nearly identical...

Interesting... So, when all the guys talk about how busy they are now is that because of a change in the way crews are scheduled, or was there more "slop" in the system in the old days due to the number of unsold shares flying around?

 

[ozpilot]

Never mind.

 

[Pervis]

Just got home. Looked at the "big boy" board and not a peep about a Nov announcement. I will say there is talk about going Apple for comm, but everything else is just more rumor.

Fact-we need more pilots. Fact-sell off disclosure is seriously lacking. Why else do they deny read only access to Ijet? Fact-fatigue calls are WAY up. Fact-we are on the upswing. More airframes than last quarter, and more arriving than departing. Fact-the EMT seriously underestimates our ability and our resolve.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I will say there is talk about going Apple for comm

Oh yeah-- that reminds me of the new blackberrys that everyone just HAD to have back in late 2009 (when the old ones seemed to work just fine); months before furloughing 495. Also great expenditure timing. Please tell me you're at least still on those Blackberrys.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Fact-we need more pilots. Fact-sell off disclosure is seriously lacking. Why else do they deny read only access to Ijet? Fact-fatigue calls are WAY up. Fact-we are on the upswing. More airframes than last quarter, and more arriving than departing. Fact-the EMT seriously underestimates our ability and our resolve.

Seems to me that we are all underestimating EMT's resolve to prevent growth of NJA. The growth that IS occurring is above and beyond what they can't prevent. Next step is to shut down sales all together until more airframes arrive.

 

[CA1900]

Oh yeah-- that reminds me of the new blackberrys that everyone just HAD to have back in late 2009 (when the old ones seemed to work just fine); months before furloughing 495. Also great expenditure timing. Please tell me you're at least still on those Blackberrys.

I'm on a slightly newer one because the flimsy charge port broke on my last one. It looks very similar to the previous one, but with a tiny touchpad in place of the ball.

I see guys on the road who have a somewhat newer version with a touchscreen (along with the physical keyboard). They almost universally hate it because it doesn't work properly with the various web apps. (Ironically, it all broke because RIM went to a more standards-compliant browser. Gotta love our IT department!)