Northwest trying to outsource pilots!

[wms]

Maybe the pilots and FAs should have supported the mechanics.

Exactly! If Duane Woerth had done the right thing in the beginning he'd be fighting the fight on the AMFA's turf. Burying your head in the sand usually gets you bitten in the rear.

 

[wms]

This was a Crandall AAL idea, 1989 proposal, that AAL would become a marketing company selling tickets on routes. Then companies would bid to fly those routes. Low bidder gets the route. Iaccoa proposed this for Chrysler in 1979, Chrysler would design cars, have dealer network and farm out all the manufacturing to the low bidder, if the unions and banks did not go along with the reorganization plan. Look at them today, they are the only profitable N. American auto maker. This is not something new.

Some airlines no longer want to be airlines, they just want to be "seat-brokers". The one's that survive will be the ones that streamline, integrate and globalize while keeping the operation easily manageable. The ones that sell off profitable ventures, out-source and become large unorganized conglomerates will fall.

 

[Superpilot92]

There is always some idiot out in left field just waiting for the opportunity to blame Bush. Dont you idiots realize how stupid you sound. The industry, the hurricanes, the fires, terrorism, etc. Its getting really old.

 

[Jimdandy]

Ty webb your a fool.

Hair on fire is correct we are blue collar working men that is how the IRS classifies our job.

Ty Webb is one of those that votes republican and thinks he is above everyone else and then when his union has no power he just cries and cries and says well it is a very complex problem.

 

[ThisistheDream]

I saw some foriegn crews training at NATCO, on the 747-400 and A320's, so the replacement pilots are already being trained. NWA wants to have US crews pilots FA fly over seas and when they get there have foriegn crews take over!!!!!! this will be fun

 

[Av8rPHX]

I wonder if the traveling public would balk at that? I guess as long as the flight arrives on time and tickets remain dirt cheap, they won't care?

Yet they still b*tch and moan all the time. Commuting home on a Cactus flight last weekend I sat next to a passenger that was saying how much she paid for her ticket (under 250 r/t) and that she had only flown "American West" once before, anyways... she flagged one of the FAs down after we had gotten out of sterile, and asked what the meal was going to be today, well she was totally appauled when the FA told her that there was no meal service on board, only buy on board snack boxes. Of course she turned to me and told me how she "paid good money for this ticket" and that they should serve a meal,etc... I just left it alone, really didnt want to get into why this industry sucks with a pax... just wanted to sleep for 2.5 hours

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This was a Crandall AAL idea, 1989 proposal, that AAL would become a marketing company selling tickets on routes. Then companies would bid to fly those routes. Low bidder gets the route. Iaccoa proposed this for Chrysler in 1979, Chrysler would design cars, have dealer network and farm out all the manufacturing to the low bidder, if the unions and banks did not go along with the reorganization plan. Look at them today, they are the only profitable N. American auto maker. This is not something new.

That's right! I can see JetBlue buying the Song aircraft from Delta if they get desperate enough for cash and even codesharing with a foreign carrier like Emirates. It can happen!!

Some of you are worried about JetBlue's debt. But if the profitability comes back in 2006 banks will be knocking down their door to do some deals.

Of course I see NWA doing this first. If they do it, others will try to follow.

 

[ackattacker]

I have to stop logging into flightinfo. It's too depressing. This is the most depressing thread yet. In five years the industry goes from $300k/year jobs to "Welcome to McAirline, would you like fries with that?" Outsourcing international routes? I'm not even sure how that even saves money. It just screws the NWA pilots "becase they can". Pretty soon NWA is going to be like USair, and lose all their business travelers because of crappy service from disgruntled employees.

 

[pilotyip]

This is still a great career, where else can a high school grad make $100K/yr by his early to mid 30's doing something he loves to do? If you are lucky you might get on somewhere and make $150K/yr. Where else can you go and make that kind of money with the time off a pilot has? Too many negative vibes

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Tell us one more time how you didn't go to college, pilotyip.

 

[jetfo]

Why is it Georges fault??

It is the state of the industry, it has arrived at this point through many administrations, to blame George is a little short sighted. The industry didn't arrive at this point overnight.

Ditto!!!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

There is always some idiot out in left field just waiting for the opportunity to blame Bush. Dont you idiots realize how stupid you sound. The industry, the hurricanes, the fires, terrorism, etc. Its getting really old.

Left field? You mean the 48% of Americans that voted against George Bush II in 2004? Or maybe the 51% that voted against him back in 2000? Perhaps the 70% of Americans that now think he's doing a lousy job? Left field is getting crowded.

 

[jetfo]

Hair:

I'm glad you understand the "complex problem" we have.

Republican administrations have always been less friendly to organized labor. I guess they're not happy that unions give almost all their political contributions to Democrats.

What has ALPA done for us lately, or ever!!!

Personally, I have to laugh at pilots that like to think of themselves as something other than working class union labor, and vote Republican. Then they can't figure out why the administration and congress isn't concerned about issues like pension reform.

Yeah, your'e right, NOT!

This job requires at least a four year degree, years of professional experience and licensure. That doesn't sound blue colllar to me.

However, ALPA has allowed us to be treated like blue collar labor.

By the way, what have the Dem's done for you lately?!?!?

Why don't you call Hillary and see if she cares.

 

[whymeworry?]

Have to chime in here.

I voted for GB and I regret it. He is a poor leader, though Kerry would have probably been much worse. When the leader of our country can lead us into war but cannot protect our working class in the form of a substantive energy bill, why would one not blame him?

In August of this year Congress finally passed an energy bill that was, for all intents and purposes, a huge waste of time since the bill had no teeth in it. So here we are with 20% higher energy prices since August and it's no wonder our industry continues to bleed.

Just as Duane needs to lead, so does GW.

I do agree about y'alls sentiments about the democratic party though. They can't get their sh!t together either so GB was the only choice.

I don't blame GB nor airline managements for the problems in our business. I blame energy for the problems. And it's up to our leader to lead congress into battle against all involved. That means demanding better standards in fuel economy, more refinery production, and drawing media attention to the greed of OPEC nations. So far our leaders have failed to deliver, which I suppose is easy for them to do since they live in such an isulated world (insulated from OUR probelms).

I am ecstatic to see GM/ FORD/ DODGE getting spanked by the consumer right now for ignoring our plight. Toyota and Honda got the message, that consumers want choices in how they spend their energy dollar, and are way ahead in the fuel efficient vehicle race. Besides, buying Toyota is patriotic. They build here in the US, unlike the big three.

 

[jetfo]

There is always some idiot out in left field just waiting for the opportunity to blame Bush. Dont you idiots realize how stupid you sound. The industry, the hurricanes, the fires, terrorism, etc. Its getting really old.

Thank You!

 

[pilotyip]

College no way

jetfo get serious this job does not require a college degree only 5 of the 177 airlines hiring make the degree a show stopper.Next, whatme could the union non-union Ford, GM etc, vs. Toyota have anything to do with their present plight?

 

[800Dog]

Yeah, your'e right, NOT!

This job requires at least a four year degree, years of professional experience and licensure. That doesn't sound blue colllar to me.

However, ALPA has allowed us to be treated like blue collar labor.

By the way, what have the Dem's done for you lately?!?!?

Why don't you call Hillary and see if she cares.

I have to disagree. There are many pilots out there without a college degree. There are also the 300 hr. wonders who go through an airline academy and find themselves flying an rj shortly thereafter. We are our own worst enemy and I see no end in sight. That is why I am working on leaving this industry.

 

[pilotyip]

bye bye 800, best of luck, I left and came back.

 

[800Dog]

bye bye 800, best of luck, I left and came back.

pilotyip,
Just curious, what is your educational background. I feel very confident about my future outside of this industry. I am halfway finished with my MBA from GA Tech and at 34 years of age, time is on my side. Best of luck to you as well.

 

[jetfo]

jetfo get serious this job does not require a college degree only 5 of the 177 airlines hiring make the degree a show stopper.

At least at the majors it's required and frequently highly preferred at regionals.

You may get to the regionals without one, but not to the majors. Even a trucking company like UPS demands one today. And, as competive as it is out there they can.