Non-Technical Falcon Pilot Question

[SMOOTHRIDE]

For the Falcon guys out there, how'd you get a gig flying them?

I've seen a bunch of them lately at SAN, LAS etc...

I'm Jealous.

 

[bigD]

Probably the same way you got a gig flying a King Air.

 

[2EASYPilot]

Came to me via many years of other less impressive stuff. As the "Blues" always say at the end of a debrief...."Glad to be here boss".

 

[semperfido]

Just wait and see what comes after the Falcons

 

[2EASYPilot]

That would hopefully be retirement and a lot of golf.

 

[G100driver]

Right place right time with the right boss.

 

[banned username 2]

Just wait and see what comes after the Falcons

I already found that out!

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Are their any companies that currently have a large fleet of falcons, or is it always one or two at a corporate flight department?

 

[semperfido]

Usually one, two or a few. sometimes varying models can make up a depts fleet. Fractional tend to buy large numbers (netjets). Dassault would have a bunch

 

[banned username 2]

Are their any companies that currently have a large fleet of falcons, or is it always one or two at a corporate flight department?

For many years we had 7 Falcons...

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Falcon Capt,

If I may ask, what company had 7 of them?

I'm a long way off from a falcon job, but I'm looking for a plan of attack for
the future (6-7 years off), and a falcon job looks attractive.

It looks like most entry level falcon jobs require a type even as a SIC, is
that pretty much a true statement?

What sort of Pay/ Schedule does a SIC have, and how long is upgrade time
to make captain (usually)?

Many Thanks for your time!

 

[semperfido]

Falcon Capt,

If I may ask, what company had 7 of them?

I'm a long way off from a falcon job, but I'm looking for a plan of attack for
the future (6-7 years off), and a falcon job looks attractive.

It looks like most entry level falcon jobs require a type even as a SIC, is
that pretty much a true statement?

What sort of Pay/ Schedule does a SIC have, and how long is upgrade time
to make captain (usually)?

Many Thanks for your time!

not falcon cap but-
No you don't need a type rating in a falcon to get a job flying one. what you need are some good contacts. when i was hired as a falcon 50 pilot I barely knew what a falcon was.

pay, sched etc varies as much as the wind. they are all different. if you are fortunate and get on with a p91 operation that is well managed by a good company then it could last an entire career.

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Semper Fi,


Thanks sir, appreciate the reply!

Sorry I have to ask what might seem rudimentary questions; I'm finding out right now what part 135 flying is like, as I'm new to my 1st civilian flying job (chose not to do airlines, at least not right now).

Since I'm in the "corporate" environment now, I have to ask lots of silly a$$ questions that most corp. pilots already know.

The Falcon 50 seems like one he11 of an airplane! Compared to almost every other plane I see on final approach, it looks the most stable, like it's on rails. I'm sure it's flight characteristics are impressive.

That being said, what's it like in the cockpit, is it roomy or squished (falcon 50)?

 

[semperfido]

falcons are very fine acft. been around a long time and have evolved a lot. cockpits roominess is all relative. f50 is roomier than a KA or lear but not that much. F900 is roomier than a F50. GV is roomier than a F900- BBJ more than GV and so it goes. walk up to some pilots at the FBO and start BSing with them. you gotta meet some people to get ahead in corp av. there are jobs out there- you just gotta find em.

fido

ps--i know it is hard but drop the sir stuff - you are a slimy civ now.

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Semperfi,


Domo Arigato Gazaimas!

Vielen Dank!

Spacibo!

Mille Grazie!

OK now I'm being annoying,

Many Thanks!

 

[Flying Illini]

Don't kid yourself...you're not as far away from a falcon job (or any other job, for that matter) as you might think. Yes, my TT is pretty close to correct, yes I have a type (PIC, and I will be adding that wierd SIC type in a few days for a Falcon 20), and yes I was very lucky and persistent. I was given a chance in the king air and was later moved into the Dassault aircraft. Our company has 6 falcons plus one in pre-buy and shopping for yet another.
Of the Falcon 10 and the 20 I fly, the 20 is like a cadillac compared to the 10 (which is the sports car) so I can't imagine what the -50 or -900 or Global or Gulfstreams are like. But the -10 is a blast to fly...especially when you're light and it's cool outside! Just the other day, coming out of MDW, the controller asked us if we could give him 4000 fpm or better in the climb, we said "no problem" We gave him 6 for a few thousand feet before settling back into 5K a minute...it's just a fun plane to fly.

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Sweet!

 

[El Bucho]

For many years we had 7 Falcons...

Do you fly for MCI out of IAD?

 

[Brett Hull]

He ain't gonna tell you. But I know who it is. And I ain't gonna tell you, either.

 

[El Bucho]

He ain't gonna tell you. But I know who it is. And I ain't gonna tell you, either.

No biggie, dude. Just curious.

 

[sydeseet]

In the name of anonimity people very rarely provide identifying clues as to who they are or who they fly for. Personally, I think it borders on rude to expect someone to give out this information. Ask all you want but in my 4 years of surfing here very few people have come right out and said who they fly for. This is a good thing IMHO as it allows people to give honest opinions without fearing retalitation or hurt feelings. This is a VERY small industry and we are of the competitive nature so bad things could happen to good people if we wore name tags. If you're after more specific information I suggest a private message.

End of lecture.

 

[El Bucho]

In the name of anonimity people very rarely provide identifying clues as to who they are or who they fly for. Personally, I think it borders on rude to expect someone to give out this information. Ask all you want but in my 4 years of surfing here very few people have come right out and said who they fly for. This is a good thing IMHO as it allows people to give honest opinions without fearing retalitation or hurt feelings. This is a VERY small industry and we are of the competitive nature so bad things could happen to good people if we wore name tags. If you're after more specific information I suggest a private message.

End of lecture.

Wasn't trying to be rude, or to pry out info. If it was taken that way I apologize. Was just trying to answer the question from Smoothride about who operated large fleets. I should have responded to him than asking who Falcon Capt worked for. Falcon Capt, I apologize for that. Sydseet is certainly right. No hard feelings?

EB

 

[banned username 2]

Wasn't trying to be rude, or to pry out info. If it was taken that way I apologize. Was just trying to answer the question from Smoothride about who operated large fleets. I should have responded to him than asking who Falcon Capt worked for. Falcon Capt, I apologize for that. Sydseet is certainly right. No hard feelings?

EB

No problem, there are a few people here who know who I work for.... and I know who the work for... Typically this kind of info isn't publically broadcast... There are many companies who operate multiple Falcons, it isn't that uncommon...

 

[2EASYPilot]

As I once told her "You show me yours and I'll show you mine ". Or was it...my Falcon is bigger than yours...I don't remember now. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, especially on forums like this (grins).

 

[rice]

No problem, there are a few people here who know who I work for.... and I know who the work for... Typically this kind of info isn't publically broadcast... There are many companies who operate multiple Falcons, it isn't that uncommon...

Yeah but now with that freakin G-V thing in your profile its a dead give away !!
Just noticed that Bennett's BBQ was torn down at APA , guess it's time to look for a new place.

 

[falconpilot]

I just left a job that we had 3 Falcons... 900B, 50EX, and a 100... So now Im unemployed and looking for a job.... In the south if possible... Flying great equipment doesn't mean a $hit if the quality of life sucks.... Id fly a cessna if someone would pay me enough... If anyone has any leads please let me know..

 

[SMOOTHRIDE]

Rice,

I dig the avatar!

 

[banned username 2]

Yeah but now with that freakin G-V thing in your profile its a dead give away !!

Don't make me smack you with my winglet!!!

Just noticed that Bennett's BBQ was torn down at APA , guess it's time to look for a new place.

Oh the humanity!!! Try Brothers BBQ, not as good atmosphere as Bennett's was, but pretty good food... They are further down the road on the right, about 2 miles down if I remember correctly...

 

[sydeseet]

Wasn't trying to be rude, or to pry out info. If it was taken that way I apologize. Was just trying to answer the question from Smoothride about who operated large fleets. I should have responded to him than asking who Falcon Capt worked for. Falcon Capt, I apologize for that. Sydseet is certainly right. No hard feelings?

EB

No sweat. My intent was more along the lines of friendly advice for the future than it was scolding anyone.

PS: Just so everyone thinks I'm cool; I too know who FalconCapt flies for. There, now can I sit with the cool kids?????!!!

 

[bigD]

PS: Just so everyone thinks I'm cool; I too know who FalconCapt flies for. There, now can I sit with the cool kids?????!!!

Pull up a chair, sydeseet!

I wonder what people will do when they find out that Falcon Capt flies for Hugh Hefner?