No Union

[Diesel]

at nj 5 years 3 weeks of vacation...

 

[XPGuy]

FRACTRASH's last job was flipping burgers at McDonald's while he flight instructed on the side... of course he thinks his job is "the best".

He hasn't read the Net Jets contract, or he wouldn't be talking out of his a ss like he is... Just the free medical alone puts NJA over CS in pay, and that doesn't count all the bonuses and the grievances you guys get.

Just ignore him and maybe he'll go away.


LOCAL 1108 is coming to Options, and not soon enough!

 

[netjetwife]

I hope the above information will help anyone thinking about coming to CS.

I should think it would! No medical?! That's a serious drawback with today's high cost of health care. No problem for you, though-you're covered. What about those many other pilots who wouldn't be and who may well have a family that depends on the pilot's job providing health insurance? I find such a selfish attitude deplorable. It ranks right up there with your offensive choice for a posting name. Fractrash?! Is that what you think of the industry in general, or just the pilots who fly the planes? It could be an indicator that you are not the pilot you claim to be.

To all other CS pilots: I'm happy for those of you that are satisfied with the status quo. That said, I echo the NJ pilots reminders that you owe your recent payraise to them. This isn't bragging. All the NJ pilots and their families know that it was a joint effort. We're just trying to make sure that the concept of a union is given the credit it deserves. If your situation works for you, fine. But please don't put down others who don't have it as good and are only trying to improve their situation using the only real leverage they have. If you have it as great as you say you do, you can afford to be generous, right? So why not cheer them on? Can't you see that raising the standards industry wide will benefit everyone? When all of the other frac companies have health care (to give one example) as part of the compensation package, CS will have to match that offer just as they were compelled to raise your pay when the NJ pilots got their new contract.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I should think it would! No medical?! That's a serious drawback with today's high cost of health care. No problem for you, though-you're covered. What about those many other pilots who wouldn't be and who may well have a family that depends on the pilot's job providing health insurance? I find such a selfish attitude deplorable. It ranks right up there with your offensive choice for a posting name. Fractrash?! Is that what you think of the industry in general, or just the pilots who fly the planes? It could be an indicator that you are not the pilot you claim to be.

To all other CS pilots: I'm happy for those of you that are satisfied with the status quo. That said, I echo the NJ pilots reminders that you owe your recent payraise to them. This isn't bragging. All the NJ pilots and their families know that it was a joint effort. We're just trying to make sure that the concept of a union is given the credit it deserves. If your situation works for you, fine. But please don't put down others who don't have it as good and are only trying to improve their situation using the only real leverage they have. If you have it as great as you say you do, you can afford to be generous, right? So why not cheer them on? Can't you see that raising the standards industry wide will benefit everyone? When all of the other frac companies have health care (to give one example) as part of the compensation package, CS will have to match that offer just as they were compelled to raise your pay when the NJ pilots got their new contract.

Well said NJwife! These 3 are clearly ungrateful and think that they got their pay raise because as a result of being the "best" and that they "deserved" it. That is all incorrect, as NJ wife pointed out guys, you got it because of NJA pilots and our UNION, period. This seems to be a difficult concept to get through their thick heads though. Nobody here is trying to shove unions down your throat rocky, bogart and fractrash. People have simply pointed out the benefits of a union here and why it's needed and what it has done for us, most importantly that our pilots stuck together and showed support for one another over the course of these last 4 years (that brotherhood is clearly lacking with you 3).

You guys try to dig at the negatives of a union and then compare our union to Deltas union (specifically how Deltas union has "screwed" their pilots over as you say).........what a poor comaprison. Additionally, you guys suggest that as a result of our union, our customer service has fallen and that yours is "second to none." Cheap shots are cute, but guys, your REALLY digging here. If you want to complain about our union, find something that is applicable instead of useless and meaningless.

All too often we run into cocky, arrogant, ego filled and ungrateful youngsters such as yourselves. What would be really nice from rocky, bogart and fractrash is a show of respect, appreciation, gratefulness and a THANKS to the NJA pilots and our union. Lets see if you guys have the guts and RESPECT do that right here and perhaps we will think more kindly of you. Heres your chance.

 

[FLYLOW22]

It's not worth it dude.

We know why things changed.

We have pay AND working condiditons.

Without fighting, the others can only hope for somewhat comensurate pay withj mediocre working conditions.

Soft compensation is hard to quantify and even harder to enforce without a Union.

Not our loss.

 

[TORCH67]

Anybody willing to give "Trash" a letter of rec when CS starts laying off pilots. Then again he was probably turned down by Netjets to start with! That would explain the attitude he is dropping here! Do you really think he would vomit this crap out of his mouth in person? It's easy to hide behind a msg board with an anonymous name. Take the source into account when judging the non-facts. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, but no more!:uzi:

 

[FRACTRASH]

About 90% of the people on this board wouldn't talk like this face to face.

 

[FRACTRASH]

TORCH67: I can assure you I never got turned down at NJ, but if that makes you feel better, than good for you.

 

[TORCH67]

I knew it wouldnt take you long to answer! You chose to work for CS, you have to live with it! Good Luck!

 

[Guitar rocker]

About 90% of the people on this board wouldn't talk like this face to face.

Like torch said, YOU are one of those 90%. YOU are also in mgmt and you dont want a union on the property for the simple reason that you want the power to run your pilots like crazy without adhering to any rules. When you start doing that, think twice and remember where you came from too.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I knew it wouldnt take you long to answer! You chose to work for CS, you have to live with it! Good Luck!

God job TORCH! I knew that you would get this kid to answer that! He hides behind a rock after he throws all his worthless garbage out here.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Then again he was probably turned down by Netjets to start with! :uzi:

I don't think NetJets ever turned down anybody, as long as you have a pulse. Run of the mill I'll tell ya, yea, that's it...run of the mill.

 

[Diesel]

I don't care who you are i'll say what i say here to your face.

Yeah fractrash i think you and humpty are both company shills with offices who's job it is to scare pilots.

Just like familyguy. He was a very high up managment because of some things he posted.

Either way those who post on this board and have built a reputation (good or bad) know the deal.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Read the post Fracs reaction to NJ contract, it tells it the way it is.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Read the post Fracs reaction to NJ contract, it tells it the way it is.

For bogart, trash and rocky.......when is the last time that you flew the line??? Mmmmm, I'll bet it's been a while. I'll bet your phone answering skills are "second to none" and perhaps the "best" as well. I would bet that the toilets and carpets are clean in that little shack of an office you work in, I mean what else do you mgmt types have to do from 9-5???? Do you even show up to fly that desk at 9????? I hope that you treat your pilots with courtesy and dignity, unlike anyone else you treat here, but I doubt it. You managers have truly forgotten where you have come from.

 

[FRACTRASH]

That's a joke. I fly the line every other week, like the rest of the pilots here at CS Kid.

 

[Diesel]

fly the line=answering phones

 

[netjetwife]

About 90% of the people on this board wouldn't talk like this face to face.

I can always repeat my posts in person because I treat others with respect. Often times with more than they deserve, and certainly with more than I have been shown by a few notorious characters who pass through here.

Speaking of respect, and the lack thereof, what is your response to my observation that your chosen board name - -FRACTRASH- - is disrespectful? If you think so little of your profession, why are you in it?

 

[gunfyter]

i hate to break the news to you... but Our contract pays more than your raise. A LOT MORE. I just made $2750 in overtime working two extra days. But without working extra days I 'll make about 10K on top of the salary scale in automatic overtime and holiday pay.... not to mention my THREE 21 day vacations each yr.

But yes right now if I were looking for a job I might look to CS because my understanding is the upgrade to PIC will be much quicker.

 

[squonk]

Fractrash:

as, for medical I don't know because I have mine through my wife

Need we argue any more?

 

[XPGuy]

Fractrash trashed

LoL anyone notice how FRACTRASH's posts get... er.. "trashed" by those of us who know what we're talking about, and his reply is...

"90% of those on this board wouldn't talk like this in person".


Well my guess is YOU wouldn't because you don't know what you're talking about and it is plainly obvious to everyone here. You act like you got the answers to the test before finals in high school, only to realize once you bragged about it, you had the wrong test answers and you are now the laughing stock.

Why don't you just go play with your exhorbitant Citation Shares pay stub and let the rest of us worry about our own professions - you are a PERFECT example as to why we need a union... you are a tool in management's hands, and you don't even know it. You don't even realize what it is you DON'T got.

Here's a hint. The correct answers are hidden in the Net Jets contract. Read it. It's all in there.

 

[TORCH67]

I bet Trash and bogart can't even tell us what the circling altitude at Teterhole is without looking it up. It's really funny how people like this like to start trash talking with nothing to back it up. Usually people with something to prove have to resort to discrediting others to feel better about themselves. At the time of this post NJ has 32 jets in the air. CS has 5 jets in the air. Flops, CS, and Flex have a total of 17 compared to NJ's 32. I have never seen a time the other 3 have more in the air than Netjets. You have a long way to go to even equal Flops right now. I'll put my money on NJ's for future growth and domination. Hows those numbers for crunching. Cessna jets have their niche but not every person wants to fly around in them, remember that.

 

[miles otoole]

I bet Trash and bogart can't even tell us what the circling altitude at Teterhole is without looking it up. It's really funny how people like this like to start trash talking with nothing to back it up. Usually people with something to prove have to resort to discrediting others to feel better about themselves. At the time of this post NJ has 32 jets in the air. CS has 5 jets in the air. Flops, CS, and Flex have a total of 17 compared to NJ's 32. I have never seen a time the other 3 have more in the air than Netjets.

And how many profit draining sell offs does NJA have in the air right now? How many BBJs/G-IVs flying Excel owners? You guys are so myopic. "We're the biggest, so we must be the most profitable." Have you ever stopped to consider that it simply means you are losing the most money? AA pilots always claimed that they were the largest (and best) airline in the world. We've all met the pre-9/11 AA SkyNazi pilots spouting this garbage.

I wonder how often an owner tells you-"I didn't buy this plane, but I'll take it?" You have sure put quite a bit of faith in your management who you have collectively said has lied, cheated, and would sell their grandmother to make themselves look good. I am sure you have 5 times the number of VPs as the 3 other fracs combined as well.
If I were part of the union management, I would demand to take a look at the books. After all, how much do you trust your families future to them? Don't you wonder how many millions Moisture left with and how much per year he's taking from the company to "consult?" How many G-V hours are thrown in with that deal? WOW!

 

[gunfyter]

Hmmm.... our pay has been matched... so a CJ pilot is making what a Falcon pilot makes.... but the company collects double or more the management fees while paying the same salary...

I am not worried....

 

[miles otoole]

Hmmm.... our pay has been matched... so a CJ pilot is making what a Falcon pilot makes.... but the company collects double or more the management fees while paying the same salary...

I am not worried....

That's great. You don't need to know what management is doing anyway. After all, they're making money hand over fist.

 

[Guitar rocker]

And how many profit draining sell offs does NJA have in the air right now? How many BBJs/G-IVs flying Excel owners? You guys are so myopic. "We're the biggest, so we must be the most profitable." Have you ever stopped to consider that it simply means you are losing the most money? AA pilots always claimed that they were the largest (and best) airline in the world. We've all met the pre-9/11 AA SkyNazi pilots spouting this garbage.

I wonder how often an owner tells you-"I didn't buy this plane, but I'll take it?" You have sure put quite a bit of faith in your management who you have collectively said has lied, cheated, and would sell their grandmother to make themselves look good. I am sure you have 5 times the number of VPs as the 3 other fracs combined as well.
If I were part of the union management, I would demand to take a look at the books. After all, how much do you trust your families future to them? Don't you wonder how many millions Moisture left with and how much per year he's taking from the company to "consult?" How many G-V hours are thrown in with that deal? WOW!

Not another one of you kids!

Tool............thanks for your advanced financial consulting, but we looked over the books long before you even came up with the thought.

Really, who cares if NJA flies in a BBJ or GV to pick up XL customers. Lets say for example CS has a broken CJ1 at airport X and your Sovereign is sitting right next to it doing nothing. Dont tell me that your mgmt wouldnt use the Sovereign to cover for your broken CJ1??? Afterall, CS has "customer service second to none" and you guys are the "best." Right??? It's all relative and the point that you are missing is the fact that it's just the cost of doing business. You win some you lose some.

I have never heard the AA guys say that they are the best. However, YOU CS kids cant stop saying that you are the "best" and "second to none" (You CS kids are the only ones who act so immature like on this site) Really kid, when you have a little more time and experience under your belt in this industry, you will learn that worrying about who is the "best" and who isnt the "best" will be the least of your concerns. For those who sit there on their free time thinking that they are the best is sign of an arrogant, ego filled and most importantly, insecure person. Pass this along to your other winners, rocky, trash and especially that ungrateful kid Bogart.

 

[Humphreybogart]

I can always repeat my posts in person because I treat others with respect. Often times with more than they deserve, and certainly with more than I have been shown by a few notorious characters who pass through here.

Speaking of respect, and the lack thereof, what is your response to my observation that your chosen board name - -FRACTRASH- - is disrespectful? If you think so little of your profession, why are you in it?

How wholesome, are you a nun, possibly a future saint?

 

[Humphreybogart]

I bet Trash and bogart can't even tell us what the circling altitude at Teterhole is without looking it up.

Dude, you are the reason why so many regs are broken, you know the circle mins at TEB, that makes you Joe Pilot for sure. I bet you don't know what they are at ABE, do you? Wiseguy, huh?

 

[TORCH67]

You are a tool bogart. I didn't say anything about breaking regs by remembering altitudes. Your answer says it all! Real frax pilots know what I'm talking about here on the altitude, it's called experience. Knowing what to expect from ATC and the environment you fly in. If you were a real pilot you would have known what I was talking about. Now go back to your management self help books and leave the flying to the professionals.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Dude, you are the reason why so many regs are broken, you know the circle mins at TEB, that makes you Joe Pilot for sure. I bet you don't know what they are at ABE, do you? Wiseguy, huh?

I'll bet you were just looking at that chart for ABE right there at your desk. How is that desk flying for you today??? I'll bet your stapler is full of staples and ready to go! I am sure that you coffee mug is topped off to the rim as well. Your just waiting for that phone to ring and show your pilots that your the boss and you know it all!

Torch, your right on. We know what you are talking about.