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Bako Cap said:
The good thing about Republic is that they have their hand in many cookie jars and any one could be closed without much of a disruption to overall operations. Even if they lose money on this deal, it will only bring them inline with most other carriers that are losing money. Of course this all depends upon a positive cash flow, which Republic will have to rely on Midwest to actually pay their bills.
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OK- So let me get this right:
-Republic is well-diversified, lending money to many different guys who are about to go T.U.
-Republic will do great even if these guys go bankrupt.
-Republic is gonna rock, as long as there is positive cash-flow.

-hmmmmmm.......
-Sounds like a plan!
 
crj567 said:
OK- So let me get this right:
-Republic is well-diversified, lending money to many different guys who are about to go T.U.
-Republic will do great even if these guys go bankrupt.
-Republic is gonna rock, as long as there is positive cash-flow.

-hmmmmmm.......
-Sounds like a plan!
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First off, this is not my plan and I hope that Repulshuttlequa management knows something I don't.
Second, "without much of a disruption" is not "GREAT"
Third, NOPE they NEEEEEED positive cash flow for any of their "pay for partnership" to work. Even if they go red for a while.
 
Captain Morgan said:
There seems to be a lot of haters on here. I can't believe the amount of negativity in this industry. Republic is doing something different here, hanging it out into the wind, a different approach so to speak. I can agree that yes, we need to get better pay and work rules with these airplanes. Yes, we need to figure out what to do with the employees of Midwest, because this is a bushel of sour grapes. But let's be honest with ourselves, this isn't your dad and mum's industry. Everything is changing and we've got to get out of the thought process of, "There should be Legacies, and we should all be making 300k." Sorry boys and girls, I'm sorry to say, I think those days are gone, possibly never to return. So instead of bitching at each other like a bunch of little girls, we need to get our heads together and be supportive and lend each other their union's expertise to make sure things are done fairly. I'm with you in most respects. We need to insure that our futures are intact, but not relaxing and if can at some point, gain more scope protection. I have to say that I am happy that the SWA pilots held on to scope at least.
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Do you believe in Karma?

They have not paid Skywest for a while! What makes you think that your Republic is different? Midwest is on life support, waiting on Delta to pull the plug.
 
Captain Morgan said:
There seems to be a lot of haters on here. I can't believe the amount of negativity in this industry. Republic is doing something different here, hanging it out into the wind, a different approach so to speak. I can agree that yes, we need to get better pay and work rules with these airplanes. Yes, we need to figure out what to do with the employees of Midwest, because this is a bushel of sour grapes. But let's be honest with ourselves, this isn't your dad and mum's industry. Everything is changing and we've got to get out of the thought process of, "There should be Legacies, and we should all be making 300k." Sorry boys and girls, I'm sorry to say, I think those days are gone, possibly never to return. So instead of bitching at each other like a bunch of little girls, we need to get our heads together and be supportive and lend each other their union's expertise to make sure things are done fairly. I'm with you in most respects. We need to insure that our futures are intact, but not relaxing and if can at some point, gain more scope protection. I have to say that I am happy that the SWA pilots held on to scope at least.
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Can anyone tell me if negativity is an actual word?
 
crj567 said:
OK- So let me get this right:
-Republic is well-diversified, lending money to many different guys who are about to go T.U.
-Republic will do great even if these guys go bankrupt.
-Republic is gonna rock, as long as there is positive cash-flow.

-hmmmmmm.......
-Sounds like a plan!
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Did you guys buy your way into all your contracts?
 
Speedtape said:
Do you believe in Karma?

They have not paid Skywest for a while! What makes you think that your Republic is different? Midwest is on life support, waiting on Delta to pull the plug.
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I have no idea what is going on in Indy other than what I get from the union and HQ. I understand that Skywest has not been paid for it's work. Something is up though, and my point was, it doesn't accomplish anything for people to be pointing their fingers and saying, "Republic sux..." If these people actually cared, then they would be volunteering constructive ideas to their union, our union, and becoming active in their profession, this is my point. As far as karma, yeah I believe in humility, and a lot of people from other airlines that aren't doing to hot feel they need to damn us left and right, and feel more self righteous than BB himself. Let me ask you, can karma come back on you if you wish wrong on others just as if you commit it? Just a thought.
 
This whole thing is a zero-sum shell game. Skywest comes in and Skyway goes away. Republic comes in and Midwest flying is lost. Republic adds more planes and Skywest goes away. At least Skywest was smart enough not to provide financing to Midwest like Republic is doing. Everybody who lends money to Midwest gets screwed sooner or later, this has been going on for years.
 
BigLebowski said:
Bold (possibly stupid) move. I think Republic's profit last quarter was all of 1 million. Not to mention, SWA is going into MKE, AirTran is trying to take over MKE...is another "branded" rj operation in a city 60 miles north of Chicago a good idea?

Only time will tell. I'm honestly relieved that SkyW got out of this. This was a long time coming, and a "money pit" for the last 18 months.
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I'm with you. I'm not exactly heartbroken over this.
 
I'm telling you, get ready.

"Thank you for flying AirTran Express, operated by..............."


Ahh the suspense.


W
 
Dubya said:
I'm telling you, get ready.

"Thank you for flying AirTran Express, operated by..............."


Ahh the suspense.


W
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I believe it was AirTran "JetConnect"...but that's my theory, too. If it happens, I called it a year ago.

If the message on SWOL would have just said "We anticipate that we will place the aircraft", I wouldn't think anything of it...but it actually said "We anticipate that we will place the aircraft and will retain the majority of our maintenance". That tells me SKW is looking to maintain presence in MKE.

My old cohorts from my days at Citrus have told me that AirTran wants to be at 75-90 flights at day at MKE by the end of the year. My question is, "with what airplanes?". Didn't they delay a bunch of Boeing deliveries and sell off a 73G or two? They would almost have to resurrect "JetConnect" to create an operation of that size in that timeframe. Who better to do it that an operator that already has crews, airplanes, and maintenance available in MKE?
 
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Interesting,... a slow backdoor takeover by "Citrus." They couldn't get it done the normal way so they use another airline to slowly move in.
 
Captain Morgan said:
Interesting,... a slow backdoor takeover by "Citrus." They couldn't get it done the normal way so they use another airline to slowly move in.
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Interesting and stupid. Air Tran would add these crappy airplanes simply to hit a quota? Do they want to eliminate all the gains they have made in MKE?
 
I'm wondering how SWA fits into the equation? Airtran tried hard to get ATA in MDW and was squashed. I wonder if we will see a rematch in MKE or will it just be another IND.??????
 

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