No More classes....

[Just Peachy]

Well guys, This was just picked up from our company board today. The last class to come on board at NJA was told, the company has deferred future classes until January ! UGH

 

[fracman]

Makes sense, given all the orders they recently cancelled.

 

[jppt2000]

Where did you see this message?
Gee, I've looked all over, can't find a thing about it on "our" boards.

 

[Just Peachy]

look harder

Look under :new hire glad to be here...
about the last entry... this statement was made by the last pilot we hired....

 

[ars225dh]

Where did you here this?

I heard about 20 or 30 out of 260 orders were cancelled.

Several XL's were delivered last week.

 

[Cliff]

Bullseye Griz.......

My Brother from another Mother.......

 

[Slim177]

I just came from CMH and the ramp was full of XL's and X's. The maint super told me that cessna needed to make their numbers look better so we took delivery of six excels and three tens. We are moving ahead, but getting more efficient and also negotiating the new contract. Things are fine at Netjets and with Bombardier's announcement, could be getting better. I, for one, would love to have 604's and the new 300's on our ramp; not to mention the 7X's.......

 

[marqmarq]

Three EJM pilots were called last week to start class in mid-April on the XLs. Two others have class dates in May and June for other aircraft. Maybe classes are limited to EJM displacements?

ps: Displacement isn't meant deragatorily. It's just that EJM pilots are considered "new hires" and NOT "transfers" and lose "time in service" and must start over in salary and 401(k) vestment. As greatful as our pilot group is for no layoffs, anytime one must take a hugh salary hit, it is a painful reminder that aviation is still a harsh industry.

 

[Diesel]

Mark- You are right EJM pilots are now considered new hires. They have been giving preferential hiring but are still new hires. Some ejm pilots think they should hold their senority but it's not gonna happen. NJA, NJM, and NJI are completly different companies and you don't get to keep your senority when leaving one for another.

 

[LearLove]

NetJets question

For you NetJets (EJA) guys. I was wondering just for sh!ts and grins, If a guy had a class date of late Aug or early Sept. of 2000 where would he be now on the overall sen. list? What type of equipment could he hold and what salary range? It dosent have to be exact just ballpark. Thanks.

 

[LearLove]

Thanks

s*cks to be me

 

[2000flyer]

I too was one who turned down a Falcon class date (early 2001) with NJA. Funny, looking back, that all the talk at that time was how close they were to a new contract.

I am curious, however, with all this talk of no more classes in 2003, reduction / cuts in aircraft orders and deliveries, why there is a current advertisement for pilots dated 06APR03 for NJA/NJI crews? Are both just beefing up resume/applications in anticipation?

One last note, I found it humorous that the NJA ad said they were hiring "Citation, Hawker, Falcon AND BBJ pilots." I thought BBJ crews were super senior, or are they still hiring training captain's?

2000Flyer

 

[NJA Capt]

I am curious...why there is a current advertisement for pilots dated 06APR03 for NJA/NJI crews?

...the NJA ad said they were hiring "Citation, Hawker, Falcon AND BBJ pilots."

The only reference you provided was a date. Would you care to list which periodical you are paraphrasing?

Until then, it could be openings for NJ Europe or Mid East.

 

[2000flyer]

The only reference you provided was a date. Would you care to list which periodical you are paraphrasing?

Until then, it could be openings for NJ Europe or Mid East.

NJA Capt,

The ad was on AviaNation . Addresses were Columbus and Okatie SC.

2000Flyer

 

[NJA Capt]

The ad was on AviaNation .

You pay $8.95/month for that?

I'm not going to become a member in order to read the reference. From the scarce details provided, it sounds like they are publishing the info, and our addresses, on their own accord. Would you really believe a third party website before the actual employees posting above? I personally don't believe that AviaNation is one of our designated head hunters. Nor do I believe, with a backlog of 1000+ pilots in the interview pool, and withholding applications, that we would be advertising for pilots.

The quote you referenced a few posts back was taken straight from the NetJets website and was a description for the addresses. It in no way implied needing BBJ or any other pilots. I guess they chose not to link to the recruitment phone number which says we are no longer accepting apps.

No-one has been hired into the BBJ since the original training Captains long ago.

 

[2000flyer]

NJA Capt,

First off, have a seat and take a deep breath, bud!

:

You pay $8.95/month for that?

1. I don't pay a dime for AviaNation. I checked out their site one day and have access. I don't have a resume online, with them or anyone else. Dont' ask me why I have access, I just do. No need to be dressed down

The quote you referenced a few posts back was taken straight from the NetJets website and was a description for the addresses. It in no way implied needing BBJ or any other pilots. I guess they chose not to link to the recruitment phone number which says we are no longer accepting apps.

2. I'm not trying to stir the pot or draw fire here. I saw a post and asked a simple question. I didn't imply, infer or promote anything. I saw therefore I asked. Nothing more, nothing less. I have long questioned most websites advertising jobs. I agree most are copied from one another. The ad said "Citation....BBJ" therefore, the ad IMPLIED BBJ, NOT ME!

I'm not going to become a member in order to read the reference.

3. Who said you should or have to? I certainly wouldn't be if I had to pay for the info. But, like many pilot's, I look as long as it remains free.

Finally, don't be so quick to jump and point fingers. As I said, I saw therefore I asked. Isn't that what this message board is for, sharing info and verifying info?

Regards,
2000Flyer

PS - There is a direct link at the bottom of the ad to NetJets website. I guess they figured we're a smart group of folks who can look deeper than the ad to see whats going on. And, surprisingly, when I checked out the website, I too found the number for pilot recruitment. However, since I'm not looking for a job I didn't call to listen.

By the way, on the site today is an ad for NJA Europe. Yes, the link to NetJets is still at the bottom. Go figure.

 

[NJA Capt]

2000flyer,

My apologies if you thought I was pointing a finger a you personally. I was merely being skeptical of the ad in question, not your observation. Keep in mind that you started a thread but provided very few details of the content. When I asked for details, you provided a link to a members only website. While you may have unfettered access to that site, myself and the others reading this post do not.

Finally, don't be so quick to jump and point fingers...I saw therefore I asked. -2000flyer

Ditto.


Like you, I tend to be very doubtful of the pilot job postings on many websites.

Regards,
NJA Capt

 

[EMB145]

I, personally spoke with one of the recruiting ladies whom I am friends with and was told the latest hiring number was 120 and may change for the worse for 2003. Also, the EJM pilots have or will have priority with interview and hiring.
Just a couple of days ago talked to an EJM Falcon crew and they confirmed the furlough possibility rumors, as they will be selling the Falcons. Also they have heard about the priority and know the seniority implications, ie. bottom of the list.

 

[2000flyer]

NJA Capt and others,

I guess I never considered the link was indeed to a "members only" site. I'm sorry about that.

Again, I'm not sure how or why I'm getting free access, other than when I originally "signed up" it was stated that viewing would be through 3/31/03. I'll continue to check-in until they end my access. I don't know if viewing is free and the other items (posting resumes, online apps, etc are what they charge for).

A few years ago I was less than enthused with an online app service and vowed not to do it again.

Regards,
2000Flyer

 

[RJL]

Hey Bixby! Tell Tail King the chalk in on the ramp. That will get things going again. Class or no class, he's in and working.