No growth at SW until 2016 now

[PCL_128]

You like ALPA? Good for you. However, it's not the only good union; it's not for everyone. The largest airline in the world (American) doesn't want you; UPS doesn't want you; we don't want you. So what. We're happier with our own in-house union. Why do you have such a hard time getting that through your head?

Because it's worse for the industry and the profession (and it's actually worse for you, even if you won't admit it).

 

[PCL_128]

Face the facts. SWAPA built a better mousetrap.

I disagree. If something will never be implemented, it isn't "better." Some techno-dweeb may think so, but to the pilot, the only thing that matters is getting through security as quickly and painlessly as possible. ALPA has experience on Capitol Hill. That's how ALPA gets things done. Meanwhile, all SWAPA can do is get pictures of Richardson taken with John Boehner, who walks away shaking his head asking an aid "who the hell was that guy again?"

 

[Jim]

Precisely Bubba. To PCL, if it ain't ALPA it's crap. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Funny, that's just like you SWA guys.

If it ain't SWA or SWAPA, it's crap. Which couldn't be farther from the truth....

 

[redflyer65]

Jim,

Are you that obtuse? You've seen PCL's slant right? I've never said SWAPA was the be all end, end all. I like it and I think it's much better than ALPA. But of course that's just my opinion.

But then again, you like the General...so obviously you other mental issues.

 

[waveflyer]

Jim, have you worked for a Swapa carrier?



Well, I have as well as an alpa legacy and an alpa regional.

I appreciate everything alpa has done for me and mine, but have never felt more comfortable with a union. I'm not an alpa basher by any stretch, but definitely prefer Swapa. Funny how IPA and APA don't get the same treatment from the FI crowd
I'm sure you have an answer, so why is that PCL?

It's like you guys are pissed that we have a better than average working relationship with management.

(And Swapa guys, who only know Swapa- we still do. )

 

[PCL_128]

Funny how IPA and APA don't get the same treatment from the FI crowd
I'm sure you have an answer, so why is that PCL?

I don't see the same arrogance from the IPA and APA crowd. When you act like arrogant dooshes, you can expect some pushback. But I would say that SWAPA does a far better job than the APA, which has made some monumental blunders over the years that have had negative repercussions legally for the entire RLA labor community. IPA, with the exception of their recent Part 117 litigation, is actually pretty competent, although they certainly don't have the resources that ALPA does.

 

[Jim]

Jim,

Are you that obtuse? You've seen PCL's slant right? I've never said SWAPA was the be all end, end all. I like it and I think it's much better than ALPA. But of course that's just my opinion.

But then again, you like the General...so obviously you other mental issues.

I never said I agree with everything PCL says. I've never said ALPA is better then SWAPA. But you guys are beyond arrogant and show it daily.

As far as the General goes, I think he brings both good and bad to this site - more good then bad. He has an above average knowledge of the industry but could use some polish to his presentation. But his haters go beyond childish and he has as much right to be here as anyone. All they and anyone who doesn't like the General have to do is either put him on ignore or not read his posts.

 

[Dan Roman]

Funny, that's just like you SWA guys.

If it ain't SWA or SWAPA, it's crap. Which couldn't be farther from the truth....

This really is the essence of it guys. I really am not some kind of SWAPA/SWA hater, really I'm not, but there have been lots of SWA pilots on here bashing ALPA. Lots, so you are clearly going to get a response. Especially if you are going to try and put out there that SWAPA is somehow "better" than ALPA, the union that has essentially made all our careers what they are. I'm sure SWAPA has done great things for you guys, you have been lucky having a very enlightened management team the has realized happy productive employees yield great dividends, that makes it much easier to accomplish your goals ( not to mention "warrior spirit" employees willing to work harder for less! ) but ALPA has done much more for the profession then SWAPA has. ALPA has much greater resources than SWAPA has, ALPA has dealt with much greater adversity than SWAPA has ALPA has a MUCH greater history than SWAPA and ALPA is the big dog and SWAPA is not. Period.

 

[waveflyer]

Really PCL ?
Ok who's arrogance are you talking about? Actual Swapa officers or who you see on FI? Actual APA leaders, or FI?
(FI is not the online hangout of choice for most AA pilots)

I know I'm arrogant as all hell.

Sorry.



I don't represent Swapa especially not on FI

 

[Dan Roman]

Face the facts. SWAPA built a better mousetrap.

YGTBSM......you really believe that don't you. We show our ID and drivers license and go to the gate. That's the way it should be. It's quite possible it took longer than it had to because SWAPA put out a competing option. It wasn't as good so it didn't get selected. It would have been nice if SWAPA would have just supported ALPA's efforts.