No growth at SW until 2016 now

[PCL_128]

Well done Howie....

I will stand down.

You shouldn't. SWAPA had nothing to do with any of those things. They just do a great job of taking credit for the hard work of others. They also copied, verbatim, a contract comparison report that the DAL MEC put together, and sent it out to their pilots without any credit to DALPA. Like I said, masters at riding ALPA's coattails and taking credit for ALPA's achievements. But I guess you have to be if you want to keep conning your members into believing that they've got a better deal without ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

First you tell us, PCL, that we're "going to get [our] asses handed to [us] in Section 6" because we're not part of ALPA. Then when someone points out Airtran ALPA's record, you use the other side of your mouth to point out that ALPA just "provides the resources," and it's up to local reps to use them or not. Well, it would be essentially the same group of people volunteering to represent Southwest pilots, whether it said "ALPA" or "SWAPA" on their lanyards, so exactly how would being in ALPA change anything? Seriously? Make up your mind already.

My mind is made up. Apparently your reading comprehension could just use some work. ALPA could provide you incredible resources on the negotiating front that you'll need in this Section 6. If you chose not to use them (as our MC did), then it would bite you in the ass. If you chose to use them, then they would be invaluable. The point is, the resources would be there. ALPA never crams them down your throat, though.

And other than just shouting that ALPA is "the best," nobody's addressed my actual points about the virtues of your own union. You remember, having ALPA national's interests not directly aligned with your own specific interests? For example, do you think you're ever going to get rid of outsoucing at Delta or United? Not with ALPA representing the regionals as well as yourselves, you won't.

The problem is that you don't understand how ALPA is structured. Again, ALPA provides resources. It doesn't give orders to individual MECs. If the DALPA pilots wanted to negotiate back scope, and they were willing to give up what it took to get it, then they would have nothing in their way of doing it. The fact that ALPA also represents the regionals doesn't mean anything, because no one at the regionals or at National has any control over DALPA bargaining.

 

[HowardBorden]

You shouldn't. SWAPA had nothing to do with any of those things. They just do a great job of taking credit for the hard work of others. They also copied, verbatim, a contract comparison report that the DAL MEC put together, and sent it out to their pilots without any credit to DALPA. Like I said, masters at riding ALPA's coattails and taking credit for ALPA's achievements. But I guess you have to be if you want to keep conning your members into believing that they've got a better deal without ALPA.

You're just wrong on this one PCL. SWAPA simply took a different tack on how to best develop a system of identifying Known Crewmembers. SWAPA went the direction of using biometric data to most securely identify the identity of crewmembers. The system developed and tested by SWAPA is in fact superior to the system that is currently in place even though it was not adopted for fear of cost problems. The original mandate included the need for a biometric component which is exactly why SWAPA went the direction of biometrics.


SecureScreen was jointly developed by the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA), Southwest Airlines (SWA), the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations (CAPA), Maryland Aviation Authority (BWI), officials from TSA, and Priva Technologies. ClearedKey utilizes commercially available, biometrically enabled microchips with the government?s FIPS 140-2 Level 3 certification.
SecureScreen addresses the congressional mandates in H.R. 1 (Public Law 110-053), implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, which requires TSA to enhance security by properly identifying authorized airline flight deck and cabin crew members at screening checkpoints, granting them expedited access through screening checkpoints and to integrate biometric identifiers into airport security access control systems.
http://secureidnews.com/news-item/southwest-airline-pilots-undergo-biometric-screening/

The program, called SecureScreen, is a joint effort by the Transportation Security Administration, Southwest Airlines, the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association, the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations, Priva Technologies and the Maryland Aviation Administration.
More than 200 BWI-based Southwest Airlines pilots will participate in the project and have their fingerprints, photographs and other security information stored on Priva's ClearedKey devices. A reader at a TSA security checkpoint will verify pilots' identities against the devices' biometric data.
http://gcn.com/articles/2008/09/18/tsa-tests-biometrics-for-pilots.aspx?admgarea=TC_SECCYBERSSEC


SecureScreen addresses the congressional mandates in H.R. 1 (Public Law 110-053), implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, which requires TSA to enhance security by properly identifying authorized airline flight deck and cabin crew members at screening checkpoints, granting them expedited access through screening checkpoints and to integrate biometric identifiers into airport security access control systems. - See more at: http://secureidnews.com/news-item/so....GYbhET5Y.dpuf


The first participants in the SecureScreen program were 200 Southwest Airlines pilots who went through a quick enrollment process, which stored their fingerprints, photograph, and other protected security information on what is called a ClearedKey. It's a token with a USB interface. The ClearedKey data can only be accessed by TSA at a security checkpoint, where the ClearedKey reader verifies the pilot's fingerprint and also provides an additional layer of security by showing the TSA agent the pilot's photograph. After positive identification, TSA clears the pilot to proceed into the secure area to report for flight duty.

"The screening takes only a few seconds but it offers robust access control because it provides not only biometric identification of users, but an additional three different ID verification factors including the user's photo and the confirmation of the authenticity of the ClearedKey and the ClearedKey reader. In addition, the platform protects the privacy of the personal information provided by users and is designed to foil spoofing," says Chambers.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/busine...es_beyond_biometrics_says_priva_technologies/

 

[PCL_128]

Howie, you can keep droning on, but the fact remains that SWAPA had absolutely nothing to do with the program in place called Known Crewmember. Period. Captain Prater and ALPA worked on CrewPASS for years, and then eventually what came to be known as KCM, which is what you benefit under today, despite the fact that your union had absolutely nothing to do with it. Once again, riding on ALPA's coattails.

 

[twepilot]

"Captain Prater and ALPA worked on CrewPASS for years..." Why did something as simple as a modem, an internet connection, a lap top computer and a high school drop out take ALPO "years" to achieve?

RV

 

[PCL_128]

Because politicians, the TSA, and DHS are not very helpful.

 

[Dan Roman]

You're just wrong on this one PCL. SWAPA simply took a different tack on how to best develop a system of identifying Known Crewmembers. SWAPA went the direction of using biometric data to most securely identify the identity of crewmembers. The system developed and tested by SWAPA is in fact superior to the system that is currently in place even though it was not adopted for fear of cost problems. The original mandate included the need for a biometric component which is exactly why SWAPA went the direction of biometrics.


SecureScreen was jointly developed by the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA), Southwest Airlines (SWA), the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations (CAPA), Maryland Aviation Authority (BWI), officials from TSA, and Priva Technologies. ClearedKey utilizes commercially available, biometrically enabled microchips with the government?s FIPS 140-2 Level 3 certification.
SecureScreen addresses the congressional mandates in H.R. 1 (Public Law 110-053), implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, which requires TSA to enhance security by properly identifying authorized airline flight deck and cabin crew members at screening checkpoints, granting them expedited access through screening checkpoints and to integrate biometric identifiers into airport security access control systems.
http://secureidnews.com/news-item/southwest-airline-pilots-undergo-biometric-screening/

The program, called SecureScreen, is a joint effort by the Transportation Security Administration, Southwest Airlines, the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association, the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations, Priva Technologies and the Maryland Aviation Administration.
More than 200 BWI-based Southwest Airlines pilots will participate in the project and have their fingerprints, photographs and other security information stored on Priva's ClearedKey devices. A reader at a TSA security checkpoint will verify pilots' identities against the devices' biometric data.
http://gcn.com/articles/2008/09/18/tsa-tests-biometrics-for-pilots.aspx?admgarea=TC_SECCYBERSSEC


SecureScreen addresses the congressional mandates in H.R. 1 (Public Law 110-053), implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, which requires TSA to enhance security by properly identifying authorized airline flight deck and cabin crew members at screening checkpoints, granting them expedited access through screening checkpoints and to integrate biometric identifiers into airport security access control systems. - See more at: http://secureidnews.com/news-item/so....GYbhET5Y.dpuf


The first participants in the SecureScreen program were 200 Southwest Airlines pilots who went through a quick enrollment process, which stored their fingerprints, photograph, and other protected security information on what is called a ClearedKey. It's a token with a USB interface. The ClearedKey data can only be accessed by TSA at a security checkpoint, where the ClearedKey reader verifies the pilot's fingerprint and also provides an additional layer of security by showing the TSA agent the pilot's photograph. After positive identification, TSA clears the pilot to proceed into the secure area to report for flight duty.

"The screening takes only a few seconds but it offers robust access control because it provides not only biometric identification of users, but an additional three different ID verification factors including the user's photo and the confirmation of the authenticity of the ClearedKey and the ClearedKey reader. In addition, the platform protects the privacy of the personal information provided by users and is designed to foil spoofing," says Chambers.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/busine...es_beyond_biometrics_says_priva_technologies/

Why does SWAPA want to do their own thing on this? Everyone would be better off if all unions pulled in the same direction. It appears SWAPA is working to have a SWA pilots version of KCM??? Why would they want something different than the quick easy deal we have now? They are still going to the same gates.

 

[fr8doggie]

SWAPA's efforts on this happened years ago, before KCM was approved. The two systems were being worked on in parallel. The article is from 2008.

 

[Dan Roman]

SWAPA's efforts on this happened years ago, before KCM was approved. The two systems were being worked on in parallel. The article is from 2008.

That might explain why it took so long. Two competing factions. That and Bureaucracy, of course. But again, why not work on one system for all pilots? Why would SWAPA interfere with what ALPA was working rather than support it?

 

[fr8doggie]

Because SWAPA is superior to ALPA in all things...