NMB Decision TSA-*************************

[FlyinPiker]

This place is breading ground for lies and half truths.... You SHREK just are adding to it.

So your saying it's not a bad airline to work at. I'm willing to accept that. They have to get people to sign up somehow concidering the amount of respect they have from their peers.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Isn't the 2 letter code for America West HP?

I believe the stock code may have been AWA before the merger...either way AWA is not Air Whisky.

 

[KingKong2]

This post started as a post about the "NMB Decision TSA-GJ" and in barely 8 posts has regional pilots arguing about the codes and stock symbols of airlines.

WOW glad todays pilots can stay focused and on task.....

 

[FlyinPiker]

This post started as a post about the "NMB Decision TSA-GJ" and in barely 8 posts has regional pilots arguing about the codes and stock symbols of airlines.

WOW glad todays pilots can stay focused and on task.....

Get over it...this thread will soon be 14 pages long and you'll have plenty more meaningless posts to count...I bet you can hardly wait.

 

[KingKong2]

Get over it...this thread will soon be 14 pages long and you'll have plenty more meaningless posts to count...I bet you can hardly wait.

You are probly right........ let the mindless banter begin!!!

 

[KingKong2]

so back to the task at hand....

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf

The NMB outlines specificly why GJ is different from the MESA CCAir and Freedom mess.

Also, TSAHolding went to great lengths to make a totally different company unlike J.O. and the MESA Group. JO really just wanted to bust the MESA pilots and then combine the groups. TSA actually rejected the offer to combine the groups. And spent alot of money to make more than a shell like MESA or the CHQ and Rep deal. Those were just shells, at TSAH they actually made it stick with the NMB.

Interesting reading none the less....

 

[redbook]

so back to the task at hand....


you being a scumbag

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf

The NMB outlines specificly why GJ is different from the MESA CCAir and Freedom mess.

mess? cause the scumbags there lost?

Also, TSAHolding went to great lengths to make a totally different company unlike J.O. and the MESA Group. JO really just wanted to bust the MESA pilots and then combine the groups. TSA actually rejected the offer to combine the groups. And spent alot of money to make more than a shell like MESA or the CHQ and Rep deal. Those were just shells, at TSAH they actually made it stick with the NMB.
....YEAH... and Hulas didn't want to bust the tsa pilots right? tsah is just building a bigger club with idiots like you, that is the only difference from mesa/freedom. Congarts to TSAH management in being able to follow directions from the NMB and create a true 100% certified dirt bag infested, scumbag staffed alter ego airline!



Interesting reading none the less....

you are such a thoughtful fellow Dan.

 

[labbats]

All I know is that whenever I hear Gateway on the radio, I cringe a little. Nothing like getting yours first, no matter what, eh?

 

[flyboyzii]

i Bet My Dad Can Beat Up Your Dad!!

 

[mrnolmts]

What scares me, is the prospect of parent companies starting alter egos when the cost of the current airline is getting to be too high. For example, let's say you are running an airline where the average pilot has 10 years seniority (read: the average pilot is receiving 11th year pay). Must be pretty tempting to start an alter ego (preferably with a bunch of the current pilots willing to "transfer") where *everyone* starts at year 1 pay.
In my mind, the only major downside to doing this have to be losing name brand recognition... However, if you're running a "Delta Connection" paint scheme (or "United Express" or whatever), the passengers won't notice anything different, so what's really to stop you? Would be saving a lot of money in labor, that's for sure. Given the way things are these days, finding pilots willing to fly for "nothing" certainly isn't difficult...

 

[flyer172r]

In my mind, the only major downside to doing this have to be losing name brand recognition...

No such thing at the regionals, most passengers probably don't even know that there's no such airline as United Express. I doubt they pay much attention to that itty bitty "operated by Trans States Airlines" written by the door

 

[mrnolmts]

Regarding "brand name recognition":

No such thing at the regionals...

I'm sure it's the "norm", but I beg to differ. Here at Horizon, we *definitely* enjoy brand name recognition. Could be we are the only ones, but I find that difficult to believe.

 

[TSA145]

I don't know the company does not build 6 day trips. For Jan06 the schedules were 30 hard lines. 8-15day off, 11-14day off, 3-13day off, 5-12day off and 3-11day off. Nothing less than 11 days off even for RSV's. 50% of the hard lines had 14+ days off.

ALL RSV lines were 5 on 3 off and were 11 days off.

I don't know what 6day trips u are talking about, and I have never heard of anyone having a day off out of domicle.

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[FlyHIToo]

And on your days off you Fukc Jets pilots taker it more in the a$$ by Hulas...

Don't drink and post......

 

[Shrek]

I don't know the company does not build 6 day trips. For Jan06 the schedules were 30 hard lines. 8-15day off, 11-14day off, 3-13day off, 5-12day off and 3-11day off. Nothing less than 11 days off even for RSV's. 50% of the hard lines had 14+ days off.

ALL RSV lines were 5 on 3 off and were 11 days off.

I don't know what 6day trips u are talking about, and I have never heard of anyone having a day off out of domicle.

This place is breading ground for lies and half truths.... You SHREK just are adding to it.

Just heard it around the line......I don't talk to you guys or even care WHAT your schedules are.....you still sold out.

 

[incubus]

separate websites
separate aircraft and simulators
different 'operated by' stickers on the airplane.


nevermind me fellas, just making notes on how to start an alter-ego airline.

 

[theo]

It is funny to listen to a lot of you guys complain because the decision did'nt go the way you wanted it to. Before you were all talking about how it was clearly an alter ego and you were just waiting for the NMB to put them together. Well they did'nt rule your way (which was predictable) now you really need to get over it. The jury is out on if Go Jet will grow any more in the future. But if they do many more pilots will flock to work there just like the first 100 pilots did. Don't be left in the dust by believing all the sour grapes you read on this board. From reading this board from the few Go Jet pilots who respond, they seem to like it just fine. It also sounds pretty similar to every other Regional flying out there today. So good luck to all and keep those Go Jet applications handy. My guess is you will see a lot of growth there in the future.

 

[redbook]

It is funny to listen to a lot of you guys complain because the decision did'nt go the way you wanted it to. Before you were all talking about how it was clearly an alter ego and you were just waiting for the NMB to put them together. Well they did'nt rule your way (which was predictable) now you really need to get over it. The jury is out on if GJ will grow any more in the future. But if they do many more pilots will flock to work there just like the first 100 pilots did. Don't be left in the dust by believing all the sour grapes you read on this board. From reading this board from the few GJ pilots who respond, they seem to like it just fine. It also sounds pretty similar to every other Regional flying out there today. So good luck to all and keep those GJ applications handy. My guess is you will see a lot of growth there in the future.

sure theo, you guys just keep telling yourselves that...while your at it, all the other airline pilots respect you guys highly, yeah, thats it. You guys are awesome.
Its just sour grapes after all...

and you guys are just like everyone else, yup...

"good luck to all"..wow aren't you pleasant.

Most gj guys deny they work there even on this anonymous message board. Including you.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm sure it's the "norm", but I beg to differ. Here at Horizon, we *definitely* enjoy brand name recognition. Could be we are the only ones, but I find that difficult to believe.

Thats only because you have that beer (is it Alaskan Amber?) onboard.

Then again, do you really need anything else?

 

[TSA ERJ]

theo,
The NMB ruled there is not a single transportation system, but you are still very much an alter ego airline. Don't confuse the two.