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[jppt2000]

I am concerned about this situation because it may affect my seniority some time in the future at NetJets. Is that a good enough reason for you?


I apologize Archie, not trying to be arrogant or condescending.
I should have known you read the CBA before you came to NJA.
I should have known you took the time to understand the impact of the CBA with NJI and you didn't get an answer from valid sources such as a steward or P2P rep. Getting information from anonymous sources on the internet is much better .


I wasn't aware that I was hindering our elected representatives from doing their jobs. I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure that they will continue to do a fine job, regardless of what "Archie" posts here.

Never said you were a hindrance to them.

Well, there ya go. Am I off the hook now?

Never said you were on the hook.

My opinion is just as valid as the next guy's opinion, and vice versa.

Preaching to the choir Archie.

 

[Ultra Grump]

jppt - Try using the quote function when quoting someone, or at least use quotation marks (" "). It makes what you're writing much easier to read.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I apologize Archie, not trying to be arrogant or condescending.
I should have known you read the CBA before you came to NJA.
I should have known you took the time to understand the impact of the CBA with NJI and you didn't get an answer from valid sources such as a steward or P2P rep. Getting information from anonymous sources on the internet is much better .

There you go again....you really like sarcasm, don't you?

Tell me.....what "answers" am I going to get from a P2P rep or an 1108 steward concerning the issue of single carrier status, and the integration of seniority lists?? Let me take a guess....."we will pursue all legal remedies to ensure that single carrier status is achieved in late 2008.....we will also fight to ensure an equitable merging of our seniority lists.....beyond that, we're not prepared to comment." Not exactly the in-depth answer I was hoping for from my union. Or how about: "That's almost 3 years from now, we really don't know what will happen". At least that is honest, and to the point....but again, not the answer or explanation that I seek.

Either way, I don't think that soliciting opinions on these message boards as to what might happen to the seniority list at NJA is harmful. Maybe you consider Gutshot an "anonymous" internet source, but I believe that he is a line pilot at NJI with valid opinions, and interesting input on the subject at hand.

BTW, the "quote" function on these message boards is your friend.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Spot on, Archie.

 

[jppt2000]

There you go again....you really like sarcasm, don't you?

Either way, I don't think that soliciting opinions on these message boards as to what might happen to the seniority list at NJA is harmful. Maybe you consider Gutshot an "anonymous" internet source, but I believe that he is a line pilot at NJI with valid opinions, and interesting input on the subject at hand.

BTW, the "quote" function on these message boards is your friend.

I went from condescending and arrogant to sarcastic.

Never meant to be either of the first two.

I am amazed at how passionate you are about protecting your seniority integration rights being so new. If that's condescending and arrogant, then , I apologize.

 

[Ultra Grump]

It doesn't matter how new someone is. If he's at NJA he's got a stake in the outcome, and therefore has a right to be passionate about it.

 

[Archie Bunker]

It doesn't matter how new someone is. If he's at NJA he's got a stake in the outcome, and therefore has a right to be passionate about it.

Thanks Grump. I don't understand why jppt2000 is having such a hard time understanding this point.

 

[jppt2000]

Archie says:
It doesn't matter how new someone is. If he's at NJA he's got a stake in the outcome, and therefore has a right to be passionate about it.

Jppt2000 says:
Where did I say you don't have a right to be passionate about about seniority rights?
I tried to say you'll get better information, although it's not what you want to hear, from your union leadership.
If posting about hypothetical situations, which you and I have at best anecdotal information, makes you feel better, all the best.

And paraphrasing Cast of 1000's:
I hope to see NetJets Inc. (NJA, NJI, EJM, & NJE) pilots treat one another with professional courtesy while the powers to be work the issues.

One thing is certain, it won't be worked out overnight - this will take years.


Respectfully,

 

[Archie Bunker]

Archie says:
It doesn't matter how new someone is. If he's at NJA he's got a stake in the outcome, and therefore has a right to be passionate about it.

jppt,

You really need to learn how to use the quote function on these message boards. You've quoted me as stating the above text, when it was actually Ultra Grump that said it. It's really not that tough.

Where did I say you don't have a right to be passionate about about seniority rights?
I tried to say you'll get better information, although it's not what you want to hear, from your union leadership.

The tone of your original post suggested that since I was a "newguy," I shouldn't worry myself with things like seniority integration, and such....at least that's how I interpreted your words. Your subsequent sarcastic post seemed to confirm my interpretation. Am I missing something here?

As for getting better information from my union reps......how do you know I haven't already asked someone at 1108 about this very issue, and got the "it's too early, we don't know" answer?

Since you're a big advocate of consulting with our P2P reps and union stewards, why don't you share with us the cutting edge news they told you concerning this subject (besides the "it's too early, we don't know" response).

Thanks, and have a nice day.

 

[Fozzy]

(besides the "it's too early, we don't know" response).

Maybe it is because it is to early. Damn Archie, take a pill and enjoy a year or two some well deserved R & R. The fight will resume. Don't worry about that.

 

[FLYLOW22]

when, technically, is a NEW GUY not NEW GUY anymore?

Is it a probation thing or is it like swim camp growing up where you started as a tadpoll and then graduated to minnow. At some point you passed through sea cuccumber, codfish, catfish and finally made it to dolphin.

Seems to me that a guy hired at NJA today will have the same relative seniority position in 3 years when the games continue. Scope and seniority are as important to the "New Guys" as the "Old Guys".

Whatever an "Old Guy" is anyway...

 

[jppt2000]

Maybe it is because it is to early. dang Archie, take a pill and enjoy a year or two some well deserved R & R. The fight will resume. Don't worry about that.

I couldn't of said it better.

 

[Abbey]

when, technically, is a NEW GUY not NEW GUY anymore?

When the new hire has more than double the Turbine PIC of the CA.

 

[FLYLOW22]

When the new hire has more than double the Turbine PIC of the CA.

Not comparing johnson size here.

We've all been referred to as "the new guy" on a trip at different companies. At what point is the new guy not new anymore based on time with the company.

Turbine PIC time in some logbook is noce but that's what got you the job. Now it means squat.

 

[Abbey]

Sorry. Poor attempt at humor.

I would say when you are a CA, you are no longer considered green. Most pax treat FO's differently than CA's, most FOM's limit the FO's abilities and decision making, most company personnel regard CA's has being "seasoned".

Of course, this theory is bunk if the company in question is a place that offers hyper-upgrades.