NJA Upgrade time

[HAZ-MAT]

Just got out of recurrent a few weeks ago. Looks like 300ish for 2007 and possibly the same for 2008. There was a new hire class of 37 going on while I was there.

 

[netjetwife]

The training pipeline had been significantly clogged. Perhaps the company realized that it was expensive to pay pilots to sit home and wait for a slot to open up? Maybe they're trying to match hiring rate to training pace? My congratulations to all those recently hired and my best wishes to those in the application process. NJW

 

[cldsfr79]

At NJA I got hired at the beginning of the recent hiring boom 2 years ago, I am still sitting right seat and have another 100+ pilots to go before I can even hold the Ultra/Encore. I'm still about 300-500 pilots away from holding things such as the XL, X, etc. In 5 years it is highly unlikely that I will be holding captain in a Falcon or other larger cabin. I'm thinking by the end of the year I should upgrade, but I can't say how long its going to take the guy 700 pilots below me to upgrade.

 

[jherk02]

Well, the only silver lining I can see in the longer upgrade times is that, after two years, those getting hired now can bid the right seat in the nicest ride out there and not worry too much about costing themselves a Captain slot due to the seat lock.

 

[NJA bound]

At NJA I got hired at the beginning of the recent hiring boom 2 years ago, I am still sitting right seat and have another 100+ pilots to go before I can even hold the Ultra/Encore. I'm still about 300-500 pilots away from holding things such as the XL, X, etc. In 5 years it is highly unlikely that I will be holding captain in a Falcon or other larger cabin. I'm thinking by the end of the year I should upgrade, but I can't say how long its going to take the guy 700 pilots below me to upgrade.

I think you are reading the number of senior bids incorrect, you're 6 months senior to me and I am showing less than 200 from upgrade in either the 560XL, Hawker 800XPC, Soverign or X.

 

[jtf]

While it's nice to see if you are pretty close with the new bid software, it doesn't really reflect where you stand to get the actual bid since so many of the guys who are already a CA don't put in a bid until they are off of seat lock or until they think they can actually hold it. With the differences pay a lot of guys come over to the Excel once their seat lock is up and just put in a bid at the end. The Hawker 800 is already fairly senior and with the 900 comming soon and the differences pay that will probably follow, that one will probably get even more senior. I've been here over a year now and I'm guessing another year and a half if I'm lucky and a lot of guys retire.

I've recently heard the main reason behind the relative slow down in new hires is a lack of sim availability. Maybe training will actually get their act together and fix the bottle necks while they have a little breathing space. We are getting more and more airframes and I won't be suprised if we get fairly short handed later this year- especially if the Hawker 900s really get certified and come on this year and if the Hawker 4000s ever get rolling. At least the massive delays in that program should give enough time for adequate sim construction and then availability once they are ever finnished with the actual airplane. I believe over 80 left last year and this January had 10 or 12 (7 senior to me). I hope attrition heats up a bit more, but I'm not spending money I don't have in anticipation of a quick upgrade.

 

[FLYLOW22]

This company needs to pony up with $$$ for training hardware and resources. Otherwise we won't grow as fast as we need to moving forward.

If we need more sims, have FSI and Co buy them and build them ASAP. We will use them.

 

[cldsfr79]

If we need more sims, have FSI and Co buy them and build them ASAP. We will use them.[/quote]


I completely agree. I think that NJA needs to take control of our training. For the size of the company we are we need to extend our training capabilities in regards to owning our own sims, and conducting in house aircraft training. We also pay top dollar at flight safety; I understand that flight safety is under the same umbrella as our company, and it's like stealing from peter to pay paul. If we really wanted to stream line things and make it a trully professional training environment we would do all the training our self with state of the art equipment.

 

[JustInfo]

No kidding, just had a chance to fly the new Hawker 850 sim, no hydraulics. It flies more like the plane than any sim I have seen. We need more of those!