NJA Uniform Change

[BuckMurdock1]

My post wasn't directed at any individual, simply reinforcing what some on here have already vocalized, and I'm sure what most already thought.

Glad we're on the same page. I know how much NJ Mgmt seems to LOVE spending money on crap...err..items like this & perhaps it has its appropriate time: just now NOW!

I can also see how other 495ers who are staring down the barrel of foreclosures and foodstamps might take offense to this Mgmt decision.

 

[glasspilot]

...and that is why I will beat you out in an interview any day of the week!

Well that sounds like a challenge!

I accept. Dueling interviews. Two go in and only the best gets hired. You in long sleeves and me in...well, my interview suit has long sleeves too so we'll both have long sleeves, but whatever. The challenge is on!

Good luck sir, I interview well...

 

[gunfyter]

The leather jacket I bought at Charlie's locker cost less than $200.00. We will be buying the jackets with our uniform allowance... so no new money involved.

Saving or spending money doesn't equal any jobs. The only thing that equals jobs is flight demand.

 

[Waldom]

I was joking with you Waldom... keep it going

My goal is to be the first centenarian to fly for NetJets.......and I'l bring both my goggles and my googles on the road with me.

P.S. There were still a few 450 Stearman sprayers around in the '70s.

 

[fischman]

As a 495er (okay..technically now a 'former' employee, as my current employer forced a resignation), I'd like to interject some financial prudence to the situation. New uniforms are all well and good (perhaps even worthy of 5 pages of discussion on FI) in a healthy, stable economy with abundant employment rates, IMO.

When I hear 'new leather jackets' at NJA, my thoughts immediately run to $$cost$$ (and how many jobs that may represent). When I was one of the last NJA new-hires (not too long ago), I was told that the company paid $1000 apiece for the 'Loro Piana' jackets alone. Not sure if true, but staggering if so.
Let's just assume for a moment that it is and that a leather jacket is of comparable per-unit cost:

2322 active NJA pilots* X $1000 = $2,322,000
-- this figure doesn't include NJI (as far as I know)..OR the 495 who, if all come back eventually, MGMT will have to

Buck,

First of all, the LP coat was a mandatory uniform change that the company paid for.

Second, the leather jacket is an option that the company has made available. They have offered to subsidize some of the cost (although I haven't seen a number yet), and the rest can be paid out of the uniform allowance.

Third, the leather jacket is similar to the one in Charlie's Locker and that one has a price of $235.

So to follow you math, and assuming NetJets will fork over $100/ jacket we would be looking at a max expense from NetJets of $230,000. That is assuming everyone on the NJA list gets one, which I don't see happening.

I realize that isn't chump change, and could pay the salaries of 3 furloughed brothers. But the cost isn't going to be that high because of the guys who aren't going to buy it.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Fish,

Granted; my example was extreme, and thanks for setting me straight. I'm glad my perception of this was wrong.

Just out of curiousity, was this step of making the leather jacket more readily available (through uniform allowance vs. out-of-pocket) brought about by owner survey feedback regarding crew uniforms? If your owners are collectively yearning for a different uniform look...well..that changes things also.

 

[fischman]

I don't think so.

Honestly, I wasn't expecting this. I was shocked when I heard the news. It kind of came out of nowhere.

 

[Helmsalee]

Fisch,
I have the answer. Since I started flying,I wanted a leather jacket. I left the Air Force before they got them (we wore those ugly nylon things). All through my airline career with 3 airlines, it was talked about but did not happen. Now at NJ, it happens after I'm furloughed and probably too old to come back. That's why now.
Helm

 

[gret]

This is all a bunch of crap over a leather jacket. If you were real men (sorry ladies) you wouldn't waste one minute discussing this while everyone else is trying to find a job. How about talking about how you are going to better serve the customer/client and build the business?

BTW, you polo shirt guys, while you are dressing for yourselves (and figuring out how to play with your unit), have you ever worried about making a payroll? Never!....Do you ever think about the suckers (your customers) that pay your salary. Those guys don't want to see your butt in what you think is right. They want to see a professional.

 

[imacdog]

Gret it sounds like you've never been in a small part 91 department.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

This is all a bunch of crap over a leather jacket. If you were real men (sorry ladies) you wouldn't waste one minute discussing this while everyone else is trying to find a job. How about talking about how you are going to better serve the customer/client and build the business?

BTW, you polo shirt guys, while you are dressing for yourselves (and figuring out how to play with your unit), have you ever worried about making a payroll? Never!....Do you ever think about the suckers (your customers) that pay your salary. Those guys don't want to see your butt in what you think is right. They want to see a professional.

Pilots are not "professional" employees.

https://www.judicialview.com/Court-...ional-Employees/Must-Be-Paid-Overtime/22/9306

 

[wolfpackpilot]

:laugh::laugh:

Helicopter pilots rock!

 

[flyjetspeed]

:laugh::laugh:

Helicopter pilots rock!

FINALLY someone said it!!!!! Heh Heh Heh

 

[ArtVandalay]

This is all a bunch of crap over a leather jacket. If you were real men (sorry ladies) you wouldn't waste one minute discussing this while everyone else is trying to find a job. How about talking about how you are going to better serve the customer/client and build the business?

Why would NJA pilots do this?? That would involve not being self-centered and egotistical.. On a side note, this might be a good sign that things are turning around! Maybe the complaints about catering orders and watch sizes will begin to increase again in the hotel vans.

 

[hydrarkt]

I guess this qualifies me as an official geezer, but the leather jacket won't be my choice.

When I flew open-cockpit airplanes at the beginning of my career, the leather jacket was appropriate. I still fly open-cockpit airplanes in my off time but I switched to a squall type jacket for this a long time ago. It is warmer, lighter, and packs much smaller.

I would feel like a bit of a poseur while wearing a leather flying jacket when operating a jet. Should I bring my helmet and googles to work too?

I have to qualify my remarks as a person whose fashion sense will never land him on the cover of GQ magazine. If it was up to me, I would wear bib overalls over a uniform shirt and tie at work. If wearing the jacket makes the two pilot groups that are currently in the middle of a shotgun wedding feel like they are all one unit, though, that would be a good thing.

I'll bet that you wear socks with sandals and black socks with running shoes.