NJA TA...What's your bet?

[hopalong]

Agreed. If I hear one more guy bitch about the commute or pay, I'm gonna f*ckin break somebody. I drove 6.5 hours one way for 5 years and started out at $27,108. But I knew what I was getting into and dealt with it. BO said himself that we should discuss it with our family and vote what is best for us. Therefore making it a "I" vote. So that is what I'm going to do. I'm going to vote what is best for ME AND MY FAMILY. "I", "ME", not anyone else. I'm tired of being frowned upon for not being a "team player" or what is best for the group. Bite me, what is best for "you" might not be best for "me"

I am the first one to agree that seniority has privelages and not once have I compained about the commute or pay. Let me ask all of you this. When do us newbees earn, yes I said EARN the right to have a voice???? Is it 1 year, 2 years, 3, 4 when???? I'm guessing NEVER because we weren't here to fight the fight with you. Don't get me wrong. It is greatly appreciated and I extend my thanks to those that had the guts to stand up and fight. If I was working at NJA at the time I'd be fighting right alongside you. But man, the more I read the more I think
that some, NOT ALL of the pre-rats have a superiority complex. I try to be respectful as I can but it is disappointing to know how soon some of you may have forgotten what it was like when you started. How quickly one forgets.
It seems that all this condescending patroninzing is getting on OUR nerves. Most of you guys have the same stock answer, "Now, you go be good little ugly red headed stepchhildren locked in the basement and we'll let you know when you can come on up and get something to eat you little post-rat. Afterall you knew whatchy'all got yourselves into!" (banjo playing deliverence in the background)

 

[gunfyter]

Actually, if you point out anything you don't like in the TA... those are the people told to shut up and sit in the corner... with a dunce cap on.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Actually, if you point out anything you don't like in the TA... those are the people told to shut up and sit in the corner... with a dunce cap on.

No gun. I think those with "grave concern" ove the TA are painfully silent when asked to discuss (or even list) their reasons for voting no.

A vote is important and should be made after sound reasearch (including talking to the people who negotiated the document), reflection and thought.

I hear many no voters voting no because "they heard" this or they try to connect the dots themselves and come up short.

A CBA is written by lawyers to be interpreted by lawyers and those who interpret the law. Pilots are a second thought. We get caught in the middle.

I have YET to hear REAL concrete information that proves this TA is worthy of a NO. For the record, I started, by default, as a no until I learned enoug about the document to warrant a yes.

That did not occur for me until I read the document twice, highlighted every question I had and then called 3 of the folks that negotiated the TA to find out the rest of the story.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Maybe it's not about the commute. Maybe it's about the fact that we are stuck at a domicile until the company allows us to switch to another. The commute sux, most of you guys have done it and know what it entails. I bet most of you bitched as well about the commute. None of you though had to watch your fellow pilot airline HOME while you airlined to a DUMBICILE just because.
Lets get past the commute bs and look at the difference in rules. So many domicile guys here have commuted longer then most nja guys have worked at nja.
What I do like to hear is the fact that there have been some very avid NO voters who have ACTUALLY read the document and have since reconsidered their vote. Some will still vote no, sure, but others have been able to filter out the bs they hear or read online.
Maybe if everyone stopped posting bs on the board and read the document from cover to cover, there would be less misinformation.

 

[netjetwife]

....
Does anyone know why the timeline says on or about 20 Nov? Why is the date not definitive?

Teamsters has strict rules which govern the voting process. I believe one of them (going from memory) is the amount of days that the group has had to study the proposal. So the date is dependent upon the actual mailing date the document was sent out. Leadership has a plan and tries to follow it but saying "on or about" allows them some room in the schedule. The date set for counting votes is also determined by the rules. NJW

 

[gunfyter]

See 22,

I never said I was voting no. All I did was complain about the loss of the Reserve schedule ... but told to shut up and bid the 18 day fixed... here's your dunce cap.

Just because I point out things I don't like does not mean I am against bases for domicilees and raises for FOs.

 

[acaTerry]

Not happy about losing the H days. The current reserve schedule is great and I hate to see it go.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Not happy about losing the H days. The current reserve schedule is great and I hate to see it go.

True BUT... the new payscale is nicer than the old one too.

Give n take.

Win-win.

IBB.

 

[gunfyter]

Imagine how nice it would be if it were a 27 day Fixed schedule!

I believe any schedule that works more than the 7&7 should pay all days worked beyond the 7&7 at an Extended days rate. Its overtime. ie 34 extended days per year for the 18 day schedule

 

[TheTruthCMH]

See 22,

I never said I was voting no. All I did was complain about the loss of the Reserve schedule ... but told to shut up and bid the 18 day fixed... here's your dunce cap.

Just because I point out things I don't like does not mean I am against bases for domicilees and raises for FOs.

Too much.

Probably going to have to vote no.

Now that's funny.