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I don't wish to start a fight or set flame bait.

I respect everyone's choice and when it comes down to it, it doesn't really matter. Everyone will vote the way they want and not much will change their minds.

The people that pound their fist on the message board podium, shooting holes, and spreading half truths, are the ones I have issue with. There are several, on both sides of the vote, that like to sling the mud and start the arguments. I think discussion is great. Questions, answers, clarification, are all good things. However, starting a fight is petty, selfish, and pointless. I think we all see that the majority of these "I'm right and you're a tool" types are "NO" voters, but I am biased so I disqualify myself and digress.

I am a "post-rat" pilot. Trust me it is not by choice. I would love to have been hired four years ago and be PIC in a XLS, but I wasn't. Instead, I commute and I have never complained about it and I will gladly continue no matter what. I knew, prior to day one, what I was doing and getting into. I am voting yes for numerous reasons which include the next ten years of good wages, QOL, schedule choices, and yes bases, but not only bases.

My point is; say what you want, vote what you want, but do it with a little dignity and respect for others and their opinions. There are those on both sides of the vote that, in my humble opinion, make us all look like a bunch of boobs throwing a childish tantrum over so much candy. It lowers us and our profession. I'm not telling anyone what to do or say. I believe this to be the best and most desireable job in aviation, so can we all act accordingly? Just a suggestion, that we all continue to conduct our business, in this public forum, in a civil manner.

Respectfully,
Rage On!
 
I second that!
 
I've got a meeting tonight so I'll be pithy. The bar has been moved again. So I'm looking forward to seeing what is behind door number 3.

Never take the first deal or fly the "A" model.
 
IBB is not the same as traditional contract bargaining. The IBB proposal is sometimes referred to as a TA (easier to type) but they are quite different. In IBB all of the offers and counter-offers have been pushed back and forth across the table and/or discussed in the open-forum joint bargaining/brainstorming sessions. During IBB 1108 leaders are allowed to speak for the union each time until the final deal is negotiated. The process saves time and facilitates an atmosphere of cooperation. Each side was representing their own interests, but all were committed to finding solutions acceptable to both parties. When their work is completed the pilotgroup gets to accept it or reject it--one time.

Give and take is the foundation of IBB. 1108's team gave much of their personal time to bring the pilots a proposal that was the best deal they could work out. I ask that all involved take the time to read it thoroughly with an open-mind and the understanding that it was designed to move the Union forward as a whole and rightfully concentrated on overall improvements while simultaneously bringing more productivity and flexibility to the company that would, in turn, give the pilotgroup greater job security and an attractive, worthwhile career. NJW
 
Check Out "Mission Accomplished!" thread on union site.

Things just got even better. Thanks 1108!
 
Check Out "Mission Accomplished!" thread on union site.

Things just got even better. Thanks 1108!

Really?
What changed to be able to give a hard number to 15-18 yr pilots?
Did the PTO transition pay for it?
I thought you wanted to WAIT for the complete details.
 
Not everything; we still don't have uniform hats. :(




;)

THAT'S the day I quit! Bad enough we have to wear the stoopid Captain Stubing jacket. "Gopher and Julie will meet you on the Lido Deck.":smash:
 
Rumor is 4% raises will be compounded for 14+ >40,000 Captains. Still looking to find the final details...

I am Voting Yes!!
 
Thanks for the insight, GSD. Here I was thinking the 4 meal limit was the problem...:p

I'm pleased for the senior pilots who will get a bigger pay raise. Does this help vindicate my optimistic faith in the IBB process?
My low 80s guesstimate is looking better all the time...:D
 
That whole little NJI thing released today probably bumped up the number by a percent or two ;)
 
It looks like my prediction of sweetening the pot has panned out...;) Only thing left on the list is Transition Rules. Those sick days have already been earned so it would take a lot of gall (IMHO) to offer chump change for them. Furthermore, management should reward good health, especially coming into the busy season. I think they want the transition to go smoothly and will reach a fair decision. IBB negotiators have been putting icing on the cake so why not add the cherry on top...:)

Optimistic with good reason,
Netjetwife
 
Gutshot,

I am no lawyer but ... If IBB passes...

All future G-IV SICs will come from the NJA seniority list. That is written in stone. The number of non-union pilots @ NJI has reached its zenith.

IF the company opts for Integration by 2010... eventually all PIC slots after that period come from the combined seniority list.

No crystal ball but it looks like its set up to happen that way.

"Good Fences make good neighbors",

I think the fences are good but I have not focused too closely because I am not affected until about another 50 to 100 large airplanes reach the property.
 
You are really reaching now...:rolleyes: I'm on record many times as advocating professional wages for all frac pilots. Any NJ pilot would be hard pressed to find a family more supportive of those on the bottom of the list than my family is. I explained where I'm "coming from" because it helps readers identify the motivation of the poster when they know that person's circumstances. Suffice it to say, board members, that Die$el and I don't have much in common --financially speaking...;) :p

Looks like my experience "financially speaking" has proven that there is always something left on the table. You can either take the first offer or you can keep going till you get the package that is wanted.

Being "positive" doesn't usually get the end results.

Of course this is just my "financial" experience.
 
Guess which definition of the word vanity I am thinking of.:rolleyes:
 

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