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[Pervis]

When does the current contract end?

It doesn't end, but rather becomes ammendable, as early as 2013, or as late as 2016. That is one of the concerns I had about IBB. Possibly a 9 year agreement with zero COLA and small longevity increases that don't keep up with the modaest inflation we have now.

If upgrades continue to elude us, there will be a large number of SICs that will get zero increases until a new CBA is agreed to, which is likey to be well beyond the ammendable date. IBB won't be as popular then. But who knows. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

[CA1900]

If upgrades continue to elude us, there will be a large number of SICs that will get zero increases until a new CBA is agreed to, which is likey to be well beyond the ammendable date. IBB won't be as popular then.

How do you figure that? Under the 2005 contract, a 10th-year FO would be making $65,221. Under IBB, $81,081. It would take over a decade for the 2005 contract's 3% annual raise to catch up to the top of the IBB's FO payscale, and you'd still be way behind in total compensation.

 

[Pervis]

CA1900, I'm not saying the IBB raise was not worth while, but if SICs don't upgrade by their 10th year, there will be zero raises until upgrade or a new CBA. Nine year agreements aren't so bad if everyone gets COLA in addition to longevity raises. On the bright side, each agreement gives us more insight on what to avoid, include, or clarify.

 

[doylehargraves]

So you guys are amending in 2013???

 

[imacdog]

It doesn't end, but rather becomes ammendable, as early as 2013, or as late as 2016. That is one of the concerns I had about IBB. Possibly a 9 year agreement with zero COLA and small longevity increases that don't keep up with the modaest inflation we have now.

If upgrades continue to elude us, there will be a large number of SICs that will get zero increases until a new CBA is agreed to, which is likey to be well beyond the ammendable date. IBB won't be as popular then. But who knows. A lot can happen between now and then.

Are you conveniently forgetting the COLA for the entire payscale if the contract is extended?

 

[Pervis]

So you guys are amending in 2013???

Unknown. Management needs to provide specific data to extend till 2016, or may simply decide to open negotiations in 2012. We'll know in less than a year for sure.

 

[jetlag7]

It doesn't end, but rather becomes ammendable, as early as 2013, or as late as 2016. That is one of the concerns I had about IBB. Possibly a 9 year agreement with zero COLA and small longevity increases that don't keep up with the modaest inflation we have now.

As imacdog mentioned, there is in fact COLA for the duration of the extension period.

If upgrades continue to elude us, there will be a large number of SICs that will get zero increases until a new CBA is agreed to, which is likey to be well beyond the ammendable date.....

Typically I'm an optimistic person, but I strongly feel there will no longer be SIC's before this problem manifests. (I'm talking about "true" SIC's -- people who have never held enough seniority to bid Captain)

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it's looking like from my point of view.

 

[G4dude]

As imacdog mentioned, there is in fact COLA for the duration of the extension period.



Typically I'm an optimistic person, but I strongly feel there will no longer be SIC's before this problem manifests. (I'm talking about "true" SIC's -- people who have never held enough seniority to bid Captain)

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it's looking like from my point of view.

Why will there no longer be SICs?

 

[CA1900]

Why will there no longer be SICs?

Because if our Chief Executive Lawyer follows through on his furlough threat, there won't be any of us left.

 

[ultrarunner]

Why will there no longer be SICs?

because the thought is the next furlough will go all the way to the most most senior person that could hold captain and hasn't bid it.

 

[BentOver]

how long has this furlough threat been going on? Lets see.. Spring 2010..then poof, DS alerts everyone no furloughs.....

Spring 2011.....furlough threat, DS leaves NO FURLOUGHS

FALL 2011, dumbass management announces no planned furloughs for 10 years. 3 weeks later "oh we may furlough"...

How long is this stupid threat going to rattle the cages??

During management meetings I strongly suggest a sit out. Or eat and run.... If it hasn't already been happening.

 

[G4dude]

Because if our Chief Executive Lawyer follows through on his furlough threat, there won't be any of us left.

We are still overstaffed?

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

Because if our Chief Executive Lawyer follows through on his furlough threat, there won't be any of us left.

As an individual within the threat segment of the seniority list, these yearly quasi threats are falling upon deaf ears. I think it is highly unlikely that additional furlough will transpire at NJA. At this point in time, it is merely a political tool wielded at the pilot group over 1.5c. I understand that they are attempting to dispose of some worn out iron but eventually crews will be needed to staff the training pipeline on incoming fleets in late 2012. It's conceivable that they could furlough, but IMHO it would not serve the company well.

 

[OPECJet]

As an individual within the threat segment of the seniority list, these yearly quasi threats are falling upon deaf ears. I think it is highly unlikely that additional furlough will transpire at NJA. At this point in time, it is merely a political tool wielded at the pilot group over 1.5c. I understand that they are attempting to dispose of some worn out iron but eventually crews will be needed to staff the training pipeline on incoming fleets in late 2012. It's conceivable that they could furlough, but IMHO it would not serve the company well.

I think management has already proved they will happily make decisions that don't serve the company well.

 

[fischman]

We are still overstaffed?

Well management has claimed that we are 300 overstaffed for years now. We have had a net loss of owners in the past year making us more overstaffed.

Now come the Globals and Phenoms. Are you seeing the carrot yet?