NJA Furloughs

[OPECJet]

Trust me when I say that the pay wasn't the problem...Nor should it be at a regionals either..Simple case of supply and demand at this point..To man airplanes, too many pilots, not enough owners.. And a special thanks to Bernie Madoff

And not to be a dick but my pay was 79K first year..(on the 18 day w/out extending)

A Teamer.....

CRJFLyer has it right though. This has nothing to do with how much we make, or didn't make. It has everything to do with too many pilots and too few airplanes. There are underlying causes that are pretty far reaching, but it all comes back to the state of the economy, a few w************************* in DC complaining about bizjet usage, Madoff, etc. Pilot pay is chump change when flying large airplanes. Applies to the regionals as well.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Just gotta live in the snowbelt...watch the benjamins roll in during the winter......:beer:

 

[chainring]

And not to be a dick but my pay was 79K first year..(on the 18 day w/out extending)

"Looks like that may have been part of the problem. "

Don't wish Ill on anyone but there has been quite an arrogance from many a Netjets pilot over the years.

Also quite interesting as soon as the furlough was announced and people started talking about it on the Fractional board the mod shut it down.
Didnt do that when bashing the other fracs during their hard times.

 

[sshrae]

And not to be a dick but my pay was 79K first year..(on the 18 day w/out extending)

"Looks like that may have been part of the problem. "

Don't wish Ill on anyone but there has been quite an arrogance from many a Netjets pilot over the years.

Also quite interesting as soon as the furlough was announced and people started talking about it on the Fractional board the mod shut it down.
Didnt do that when bashing the other fracs during their hard times.

Thread did not get shut down because of the furlough, it got shut down because 2 people were arguing over an unrelated legal issue. If the first year pay was the problem then why aren't we doing any downgrades? The 700+ pilots overstaffed was the problem.

 

[jetlag7]

....The profession for too many of us is no longer a career but rather like a bunch of travelling musicians getting short-term gigs....

I gotta' hand it to you Sky -- In one sentence, you summarized exactly what it means to be a professional pilot in this day and age much better than anyone else I have ever listened to.

I hope you don't mind if I "borrow" that quote from time to time...

 

[johnboy99]

If the first year pay was the problem then why aren't we doing any downgrades? The 700+ pilots overstaffed was the problem.

Just curious. I read in a previous post NJA might get rid of 100 plus airplanes. Are you naive enough to think nobody will be downgraded when you furlough 500 pilots (20 percent of the pilots) and are staring at 100 airplanes eventually leaving.

Good luck to all the guys/gals about to be furloughed. NJA is a first class operation and hopefully you will be back soon.

 

[imacdog]

The contract has some very sticky language that makes downgrading pilots difficult for the company. Not saying it can't be done but the language is much more secure than a typical contract. Without the language in our contract, I wouldn't be surprised to see a corresponding number of downgrades with the furlough.

 

[gulfstreameric]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/33491407

 

[sshrae]

Just curious. I read in a previous post NJA might get rid of 100 plus airplanes. Are you naive enough to think nobody will be downgraded when you furlough 500 pilot


Not naive enough at all, just quoting what we were told on a letter from the president. When I first heard of this I thought there would for sure be downgrades, however, that is not in the plan neither is pay concessions. NJA will come out of this just fine in my opinion and I think when the dust settles they will be in a much better position than any other fractional. We are learning now that RTS was not quite the gem we all thought he was.

 

[BoilerUP]

We are learning now that RTS was not quite the gem we all thought he was.

What does that mean?

From the outside looking in, it appears as though RTS fell on his sword to protect you guys as long as he possibly could...

 

[sshrae]

What does that mean?

From the outside looking in, it appears as though RTS fell on his sword to protect you guys as long as he possibly could...

Perhaps, but it looks like we should have never been in this position. Ignored budget, hiring for no reason, ordering planes that they didn't have owners for, or even prospective owners for. There were so many financial mistakes it was dizzying when it was unearthed.

 

[BoilerUP]

Perhaps, but it looks like we should have never been in this position. Ignored budget, hiring for no reason, ordering planes that they didn't have owners for, or even prospective owners for. There were so many financial mistakes it was dizzying when it was unearthed.

I can see what you're saying...

...but its obvious Santulli (and thousands of other "smart people" in business) didn't foresee the events of 2008-2009 that led to a deep recession wiping away trillions in stockholder net worth in addition to cratering the used aircraft market.

Also, manufacturers were running 18+ month lead times on most airframes right up until everything fell apart...so I really can't "blame" somebody for "ordering planes they didn't have owners for" because they probably had to.

Either way, the situation definitely sucks...

 

[n7715x]

Yeah, this definitely sucks. I missed the cutoff by 50 numbers and don't expect to return to work for 2-2.5 years. By that time, I think the airlines will be starting steady hiring activities...so what to do?

Try to go to anywhere that I can get some turbine PIC to better my chances of getting in on the airline hiring boom in a few years? (I left the regional to go to NJ before upgrading.)

Waiting around to get recalled in a couple years then be an FO at NJ forever?

If only I had a crystal ball...

 

[OPECJet]

I hear ya. A bit short of four years for me on the projected recall date for God knows how long stuck in the right seat...

Hope when that recall comes I'm doing something better and don't have to take it. Looks like NJA suddenly became a dead end job.

 

[RP170]

Looks like NJA suddenly became a dead end job.

Speaking of dead ends, not having a mandatory retirement age at the fractionals is another road block that I think needs to be addressed.