NJA Downgrades

[Willy21]

I'm hearing the same thing from decent sources.

Any chance you will expand on what you source said?

 

[rajflyboy]

Any chance you will expand on what you source said?

any chance that the folks that are paid 1.6 % out of every pilots pocket will some day communicate??

 

[RP170]

any chance that the folks that are paid 1.6 % out of every pilots pocket will some day communicate??

Nah....they are still in the honeymoon phase with Sokol. Remember, he is such a great guy and they are confident will turn the business around. Sure, NetJets is profitable now but it was mainly accomplished on the backs of the employees with more to come. The place is no different than any mismanged airline at this point.

Meanwhile, Avant, Flex, and Citation Air have unveiled new card programs and marketing strategies all geared towards a struggling NetJets. What has been done at NJA in response? Nothing but cuts, cuts, and more cuts. Looks like the typically airline CEO mentality to me.

Better count on about 10 years for any hopes of a recall. I'm moving on with my life. Just chalking this one up as the worst career decision I ever made when I chose to come work at the pyramid scheme known as NJA instead of taking the offer I had from Allegiant (or even staying where I was) a few years ago.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Wow, how inspiring!
I don't think anyone here supports the last management regime's decision to hire folks away from stable employment.

Pilot staffing is governed by the work rules in the contract and not just by some whimsical hiring projection. It's done by cold hard facts.

NJ is by far, the highest pilot per airframe in the fractional industry. NJ managment had to hire pilots that no other fractional would have based on contract rules.
The additional pilots pulled away from stable employment was based on the contract vs. projected flying. As a result, NJ was "fat" by hundreds of pilots and most importantly, could not cut back because of the contract.

Now it's all coming home to roost... don't blame management, blame the inability of the NJ to adjust as a result of the union contract. These furloughs are union related, not the result of poor management by the company. Place the proper blame where it belongs.

Union 101. Squeeze the golden goose till it can no longer lay eggs.

 

[Pervis]

Pilot staffing is indeed in the contract. Just not the CBA, but rather our owner contracts. Wrong again.

 

[jonjuan]

Pilot staffing is indeed in the contract. Just not the CBA, but rather our owner contracts. Wrong again.

No it's not. Yet another urban legend that has zero basis in fact. I have seen a contract and it's nowhere to be found. Prove us wrong. Also no where on the Marquis contract. Once again, someone' lying to you.

 

[rajflyboy]

Pilot staffing is governed by the work rules in the contract and not just by some whimsical hiring projection. It's done by cold hard facts.

NJ is by far, the highest pilot per airframe in the fractional industry. NJ managment had to hire pilots that no other fractional would have based on contract rules.
The additional pilots pulled away from stable employment was based on the contract vs. projected flying. As a result, NJ was "fat" by hundreds of pilots and most importantly, could not cut back because of the contract.

Now it's all coming home to roost... don't blame management, blame the inability of the NJ to adjust as a result of the union contract. These furloughs are union related, not the result of poor management by the company. Place the proper blame where it belongs.

Union 101. Squeeze the golden goose till it can no longer lay eggs.

You appear to be forgetting the years of 150 million dollar profits after this contract was signed.

 

[jonjuan]

You appear to be forgetting the years of 150 million dollar profits after this contract was signed.

You mean during the peak period of spending by corporations and weatlthy individuals? What do you think njas profits would if they had signed the contract in 2008? Also, with the same contract in place, where are the profits now? Heck, every frax was profitable in 2005,2006. I also suppose flops will be profitable now, especially with wages (and magically pricing) 30% less than that of nj.

 

[fischman]

Pilot staffing is governed by the work rules in the contract and not just by some whimsical hiring projection. It's done by cold hard facts.

NJ is by far, the highest pilot per airframe in the fractional industry. NJ managment had to hire pilots that no other fractional would have based on contract rules.
The additional pilots pulled away from stable employment was based on the contract vs. projected flying. As a result, NJ was "fat" by hundreds of pilots and most importantly, could not cut back because of the contract.

Now it's all coming home to roost... don't blame management, blame the inability of the NJ to adjust as a result of the union contract. These furloughs are union related, not the result of poor management by the company. Place the proper blame where it belongs.

Union 101. Squeeze the golden goose till it can no longer lay eggs.

Wrong again B19.

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

The company can hire or furlough at will. Nothing the union can do about it. If you're going to spew crap like you're an authority, at least do your homework so you don't look foolish.

Butt handed to you.

 

[rajflyboy]

I guess we all sit back and drink coffee and wait until the meeting next week.

And then we wait for the company Text Message that will come with the facts.

 

[gret]

Wrong again B19.

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

The company can hire or furlough at will. Nothing the union can do about it. If you're going to spew crap like you're an authority, at least do your homework so you don't look foolish.

Butt handed to you.

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

 

[jonjuan]

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

LOL- so, what's the opposite of awesome?

 

[rajflyboy]

I think most of us would be happy if the information flowed from the proper channels. Unfortunately this just isn't the case. Honestly it hasn't been the case for a couple of years.

 

[Flex-ible]

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

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I think Flex aims for something like 4.3 per plane. If it were 5, I might still be there!

 

[fischman]

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

I'm just stating facts. I realize the truth is not common on FI.com. If you don't like it, feel free to put me on your ignore list.