NJA Contract Rumor

[acaTerry]

No kidding guys. One could easier get the launch codes than get those numbers on selloffs.
Back to the guys on the 18 day schedule. I still don't see how that would affect the recalls. Look back a few years. Lots of us, myself included, took part in the voluntary measures and what did it accomplish? I gave up thousands of dollars and the company STILL pulled the rug from you guys.

 

[billybob]

RTS was good to his word, it's the EMT that pulled that rug and I will always remember that. To this day I think RTS was the a guy you could trust, you might not like him but his word was worth something.

As for the 18 day thing I just don't know. I need to know more but you could find out and see what it does

Extended days for guys in the states is never ok!

 

[X-rated]

Considering we are all on the same seniority list now, I urge you to reconsider your logic.

I'd be interested in your logic.

It seems to me you could overstaff by any number of pilots in the long range fleets, and you'd still need to extend guys from time to time. If a plane is halfway around the world, how does it make sense to airline pilots around to save a few days of overtime? What's the chance of the plane actually being where you hope it will be when you board your 20 hour flight to Mumbai? You guys do still fly business class internationally don't you? Let's see. We can spend 20K on airline tickets so we don't have to pay one day's overtime. We know we have virtually no chance of the relief pilot meeting the plane and being rested when we need him, but hell, we have pilots on furlough. Face it. International flying requires more flexibility. Unless you're actually trying to put your company out of business, you need to accept some extended days in the long range fleets and realize they have absolutely no bearing on staffing levels or recalls.

 

[BentOver]

Some yes..... Close to 1600, no

 

[imacdog]

...and increasing from last year too.

 

[X-rated]

Unpopular truth

Some yes..... Close to 1600, no

I'll take your word for it since I have no idea how many planes you have in the GLC fleet or how many days they spend out of the country. Assuming 75 planes would equal 21 days of OT for each GLC airplane. That might be a tad high fleet wide, but it honestly doesn't sound unreasonable for an international Gulfstream.

However, even if all 1600 days were domestic, 1600 days divided by 180 is less than 9 pilots. Hard to think they would change fleet staffing levels for that. 9 additional pilots would not perceptibly change staffing levels and would offer virtually no additional flexibility. Or, are you suggesting they recall 400 pilots to give the company the flexibility they need domestically and still not address the international need for extending pilots? Do you want there to be a company for you to return to someday?

I understand your situation being furloughed, but honestly, your reaction to overtime is far more emotional than rational. The numbers just don't support a recall, and wont until they start selling more airframes.

I know you will think I'm the anti-Christ for suggesting such a thing, but I only say it for your own good. I'm not trying to piss you off, but only trying to point out you're making yourself crazy over a relatively inconsequential issue. Take it for what it's worth, or not...

 

[OPECJet]

I'd be interested in your logic.

It seems to me you could overstaff by any number of pilots in the long range fleets, and you'd still need to extend guys from time to time. If a plane is halfway around the world, how does it make sense to airline pilots around to save a few days of overtime? What's the chance of the plane actually being where you hope it will be when you board your 20 hour flight to Mumbai? You guys do still fly business class internationally don't you? Let's see. We can spend 20K on airline tickets so we don't have to pay one day's overtime. We know we have virtually no chance of the relief pilot meeting the plane and being rested when we need him, but hell, we have pilots on furlough. Face it. International flying requires more flexibility. Unless you're actually trying to put your company out of business, you need to accept some extended days in the long range fleets and realize they have absolutely no bearing on staffing levels or recalls.

I agree with your thoughts on the logistics of staffing the long haul flying. My only complaint is that (my understanding anyway), the union offered the company relief on this topic, to which the company refused. The company would rather staff the aircraft through voluntary extended days than with negotiating something with the pilot group.

As such my beef is much less with a GLC pilot taking an extended day to fly back from Europe a day late than it is with the company who chooses to staff those flights via extended days, rather than negotiating something. On the same token, the company's preference is contractually legal, just crappy.

 

[BentOver]

Also disheartening is that while a majority of extended days were from the GLC fleet... There was no shortage of extended day takers from the other fleets as well.....


How much difference would it make on staffing..Who knows.. But it says something about the type of people they have in the pilot group..... I no longer have a dog in this fight, but will probably remain interested in what goes on at NJA for a little bit.. Just human nature....

 

[acaTerry]

Something else to think about is that you guys are very convenient to have as hostages as Section 6 comes up.

 

[imacdog]

I'd say the bottom active 200 or so on the list are the hostages.