NJA announces 1000 applications for pilot positions

[realityman]

And no one has requested mediation????

We haven't finished negotiating all the sections yet. It's already known that we will go into mediation. There's no question on that. But we can't do it until every section of the CBA has been negotiated on, and reached an impasse, before we head to mediation.

I think we only have 3 or 4 large sections left, then it's off to mediation. My guess is maybe another two months before mediation. Probably about a year in mediation, then the 30-day cooling off period, then strike.

Of course, this could all be ended in weeks if the company had enough "incentive" to bargain in good faith with us.

 

[G4dude]

We haven't finished negotiating all the sections yet. It's already known that we will go into mediation. There's no question on that. But we can't do it until every section of the CBA has been negotiated on, and reached an impasse, before we head to mediation.

I think we only have 3 or 4 large sections left, then it's off to mediation. My guess is maybe another two months before mediation. Probably about a year in mediation, then the 30-day cooling off period, then strike.

Of course, this could all be ended in weeks if the company had enough "incentive" to bargain in good faith with us.

Wow, faster process than most of the guys I fly with think. They are saying several more years until we vote. One thought: if the company is dragging out negotiations, it hopefully is because it realizes they WILL NOT be able to give us a pay and benefit cut, or else they would want to submit a lower deal to us as soon as possible. In other words, they are delaying because they will eventually be paying us more. Maybe.

 

[Diesel]

Wow, faster process than most of the guys I fly with think. They are saying several more years until we vote. One thought: if the company is dragging out negotiations, it hopefully is because it realizes they WILL NOT be able to give us a pay and benefit cut, or else they would want to submit a lower deal to us as soon as possible. In other words, they are delaying because they will eventually be paying us more. Maybe.

Hahaaa why would they pay us more? When they know they have weak pilots like yourself not willing to put in 100 percent.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

We haven't finished negotiating all the sections yet. It's already known that we will go into mediation. There's no question on that. But we can't do it until every section of the CBA has been negotiated on, and reached an impasse, before we head to mediation.

I think we only have 3 or 4 large sections left, then it's off to mediation. My guess is maybe another two months before mediation. Probably about a year in mediation, then the 30-day cooling off period, then strike.

Of course, this could all be ended in weeks if the company had enough "incentive" to bargain in good faith with us.

Doesn't matter anyway. Apparently the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Only the intent matters. Hope you have the Cliff notes/Interpretive transcripts/negotiator's opinion Sanskrit. That's apparently what really matters.

 

[imacdog]

^^^ Very true.

 

[Pervis]

Doesn't matter anyway. Apparently the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Only the intent matters. Hope you have the Cliff notes/Interpretive transcripts/negotiator's opinion Sanskrit. That's apparently what really matters.

That's why we are doing a line by line negotiation, much to the company's chagrin.

 

[ghostrider64]

That's why we are doing a line by line negotiation, much to the company's chagrin.

Bingo!!!! But boys like G4 think we are dragging it out for no reason. Doesn't matter what he and his ilk believe anyway, because they only believe what's best for THEMSELVES is what matters most.

This tool bag is now saying it will be years before a TA is offered, he'd be 100% correct if those same spineless folks he sucks face with were really what matters. The reality is the MAJORITY here will provide the required leverage, LONG before his little group even understands we were negotiating anything. By that time they may find themselves screaming because they don't like the FINAL outcome and how his little protected group, finds those protections have completely evaporated because they refused to fight.....

 

[G4dude]

Bingo!!!! But boys like G4 think we are dragging it out for no reason. Doesn't matter what he and his ilk believe anyway, because they only believe what's best for THEMSELVES is what matters most.

This tool bag is now saying it will be years before a TA is offered, he'd be 100% correct if those same spineless folks he sucks face with were really what matters. The reality is the MAJORITY here will provide the required leverage, LONG before his little group even understands we were negotiating anything. By that time they may find themselves screaming because they don't like the FINAL outcome and how his little protected group, finds those protections have completely evaporated because they refused to fight.....

Regarding how many years we have to go, I was just quoting colleagues who pay attention to union stuff and who have experience being a member during negotiations.

 

[Diesel]

Regarding how many years we have to go, I was just quoting colleagues who pay attention to union stuff and who have experience being a member during negotiations.

So are you saying that you don't pay attention to union stuff?

 

[NoJoy]

So are they hiring for attrition or growth? 200 a year + for a few years?

 

[G4dude]

So are you saying that you don't pay attention to union stuff?

Yes. I pay dues. and trust the union leaders to run the union, which is probably not smart, as it seems the Luthi radicals are running the asylum. I hope I am wrong about that.

 

[G4dude]

So are they hiring for attrition or growth? 200 a year + for a few years?

I think mostly attrition, with a little growth, which might escalate now the economy is doing better.

 

[Diesel]

Yes. I pay dues. and trust the union leaders to run the union, which is probably not smart, as it seems the Luthi radicals are running the asylum. I hope I am wrong about that.

So that's a yes. You don't know what's going on with the union and you don't stay informed but you make statements and accusations without the understanding or experience with what is going on.

You call union members thugs but won't acknowledge any of the shady stuff the company has done.

You're undecided if you will scab or not it depends on your perception of the contract not what the majority votes for.

You pay union dues which you believe is enough to get a new contract but won't help with the lifting. You hate the union because you were forced into it but don't hate them so much you would give up the protection and be a fees payer instead of a dues payer.

You say you trust the union leaders which you then follow up that it isn't smart. Except you've proven above you're unwilling to get involved to do anything about it other than posting on an anonymous message board... Which really isn't that anonymous.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

 

[ghostrider64]

Diesel, the only time he'll pay attention is when he discovers he is no longer a privileged class, and that his contractual concerns weren't imbedded in the new CBA, because he didn't care enough to participate.

I'm looking forward to displacements, under the new CBA, out of the G, that puts them where their seniority allows, not their privilege. Then maybe he'll do us a favor and take his arrogance where it belongs, Clay Lacy!

 

[gutshotdraw]

Diesel, the only time he'll pay attention is when he discovers he is no longer a privileged class, and that his contractual concerns weren't imbedded in the new CBA, because he didn't care enough to participate.

I'm looking forward to displacements, under the new CBA, out of the G, that puts them where their seniority allows, not their privilege. Then maybe he'll do us a favor and take his arrogance where it belongs, Clay Lacy!

That will be a rather lengthy wait. They fleet he is in, as am I, is currently scheduled for final retirement in 2023 and that number has steadily risen from 2017. It's doubtful the new contract will change the aircraft retirement timeline although the way in which displacements are awarded is likely to change substantially.