NJA 1st QTR Earnings

[CA1900]

Yep... and four years later, I'd still be driving 200 miles to a base I didn't want in the first place, instead of living on the other side of the country where I'm happy!

 

[wacoflyr]

Ya know, we have our own gossip and so on, but I have to say I find NJ gossip endlessly entertaining. Keep it up!

 

[Willy21]

Large families bring many sources of free entertainment. But make no mistake, we know how to pull together when we need to.

 

[gunfyter]

Its like a Reality TV series....

 

[imacdog]

Still waiting on that list, Raj.

 

[rajflyboy]

Still waiting on that list, Raj.

What List?

 

[imacdog]

The list of things the pilots gave away to the company. The list of reasons why IBB was such a loss for the pilot group. The list I keep asking for every single time you make such a remark. That is what I am still waiting for.

 

[rajflyboy]

The list of things the pilots gave away to the company. The list of reasons why IBB was such a loss for the pilot group. The list I keep asking for every single time you make such a remark. That is what I am still waiting for.

We have already hashed that out over and over.

 

[imacdog]

Actually we haven't. Every single time I've asked for specific reasons why the IBB was a failure for the pilots, you've conveniently forgotten to answer.

 

[BentOver]

He's never given one solid piece of proof as to why IBB was a failure. All along, everyone who's voted for it has been very happy with their decision. Yet to meet a person who didn't like their vote outcome.

And the people it was aimed at (SIC's) LIKE MYSELF. Are very happy that it passed.

His arguements hold no merit when the people's lives it was meant to improve, and the people who voted for it, are happy they did vote for it.

He'll argue that it created furloughs. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FURLOUGHED AND VOTED YES ARE STILL HAPPY THEY VOTED YES. INCLUDING MYSELF. I'd rather be furloughed and come back to an IBB improved contract, than be furloughed and come back to the '05 crap the SIC's had before. Correction, I wouldn't come back to a pre-IBB Netjets. To top that off, I would rather be furloughed and come back to an IBB contract than to have never been furloughed and be making peanuts and commuting 5 hrs. to the nearest base. Or trying to negotiate a contract in these economic times.

 

[rajflyboy]

He's never given one solid piece of proof as to why IBB was a failure. All along, everyone who's voted for it has been very happy with their decision. Yet to meet a person who didn't like their vote outcome.

And the people it was aimed at (SIC's) LIKE MYSELF. Are very happy that it passed.

His arguements hold no merit when the people's lives it was meant to improve, and the people who voted for it, are happy they did vote for it.

He'll argue that it created furloughs. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FURLOUGHED AND VOTED YES ARE STILL HAPPY THEY VOTED YES. INCLUDING MYSELF. I'd rather be furloughed and come back to an IBB improved contract, than be furloughed and come back to the '05 crap the SIC's had before. Correction, I wouldn't come back to a pre-IBB Netjets. To top that off, I would rather be furloughed and come back to an IBB contract than to have never been furloughed and be making peanuts and commuting 5 hrs. to the nearest base. Or trying to negotiate a contract in these economic times.

So.. screw up the good part of the contract that was worked hard for ... ?? Yeah thats a great idea. You had no patience at all.

 

[rajflyboy]

Actually we haven't. Every single time I've asked for specific reasons why the IBB was a failure for the pilots, you've conveniently forgotten to answer.

Well

Lets start with the one that SIC's complain about the most. The NJI merger. That was my #1 reason for voting against IBB.

 

[imacdog]

I don't know if I've seen a single compaint about the NJI merger from an NJA SIC on this board, nor do I remember seeing any on the union board. In fact, bringing the NJI flying in-house was a huge win for scope. Next please.

 

[Pervis]

I don't know if I've seen a single compaint about the NJI merger from an NJA SIC on this board, nor do I remember seeing any on the union board. In fact, bringing the NJI flying in-house was a huge win for scope. Next please.

Ask every SIC still actively employed at NJA, not to mention a bunch of the PICs, how everyone feels about all the junior PICs upgraded at NJI before the integration. That was an oversight we should have anticipated, and probably would have had we not been in such a big hurry to pass IBB. There are a number of other areas that were poorly worded as well, or omitted from the '05 agreement, and they weren't to the pilot's advanatge.

 

[imacdog]

Ah yes another "numerous givebacks" yet no solid examples. How intriguing and convincing. Of course, there must exist absolutely no possiblity whatsoever that the pilots understood the tradeoffs and decided the overall change was a net gain.

In the end of all this the early NJI upgrades represent the removal of a very small number of upgrade slots that would have been available to the pilot group. With a new long-range aircraft type coming into the mix, the argument becomes one more of emotions than logic. Of course we could talk about the irrational thoughts of some pilots, such as not running DOH integration, but as mentioned, they were irrational.