NJA 1st QTR Earnings

[gunfyter]

" In reality, there would have been no way an NJA SIC would have had the opportunity to upgrade to a GIV....Any upgrades would have went to current NJA PIC's.. It's the PIC's who are upset because they did not get a chance to upgrade from their X to their GIV. .

This is true.

But also if we did not do the IBB ... Everybody who is an SIC would still be an SIC. No damage was done to anyone. However, some people got a good deal that seniority does not support... so some others are jealous.

On the flip side, I would not want to STILL be commuting to 5 bases. Or negotiating NOW from a starting point of 2005 CBA SIC payscales. As Pervis said ... it would be lunacy to want to still be on the 2005 CBA and negotiating right now, considering the economy none of us anticipated.

This from someone who voiced many complaints in 2007 against the IBB ... use the search function to see my posts back then. I was wrong in 2007, about the IBB

 

[BentOver]

This whole Global discussion and who will bid it should be a moot point.......Remember NJA will furlough and the Globals will NOT show up because NJASAP is not going to give up on scope.....Management said it to recurrents and I always believe what management says!!!

Which reminds me.....Hey management, go F$$$ yourself and your FUD.

 

[CA1900]

Which reminds me.....Hey management, go F$$$ yourself and your FUD.

Please stand by for your airline info to CMH...

 

[BentOver]

hehe, maybe in 5-10 years!!:beer:

 

[G4dude]

This whole Global discussion and who will bid it should be a moot point.......Remember NJA will furlough and the Globals will NOT show up because NJASAP is not going to give up on scope.....Management said it to recurrents and I always believe what management says!!!

Which reminds me.....Hey management, go F$$$ yourself and your FUD.

I might have misunderstood this post. Are you saying the Globals probably will not show up at NJA because of Scope?

 

[fischman]

I might have misunderstood this post. Are you saying the Globals probably will not show up at NJA because of Scope?

I would wager that globals won't show up because management will use them like a carrot during negotiations. "We'd like to give you Globals to fly, but you're going to have to give us X. Oh by the way, if you don't agree we'll have to furlough 300 more pilots and it will be your fault."

That's how business works.

 

[G4dude]

I would wager that globals won't show up because management will use them like a carrot during negotiations. "We'd like to give you Globals to fly, but you're going to have to give us X. Oh by the way, if you don't agree we'll have to furlough 300 more pilots and it will be your fault."

That's how business works.

I hadn't thought of it that way. However, we don't have any "Guffstreams" in the pipeline, and I feel the Globals will join our fleet. I would like to fly it, but I am told I am not senior enough. Guess I will have to settle for the V.

 

[G4dude]

I would wager that globals won't show up because management will use them like a carrot during negotiations. "We'd like to give you Globals to fly, but you're going to have to give us X. Oh by the way, if you don't agree we'll have to furlough 300 more pilots and it will be your fault."

That's how business works.

Just thought of something else. If we are not going to really get Globals, what long range plane do you think we WILL get? Our Gs are getting a little long of tooth.

 

[OPECJet]

Which reminds me.....Hey management, go F$$$ yourself and your FUD.

I second that and add to it. I hope you all get a bad case of crabs.....:nuts:

 

[OPECJet]

Just thought of something else. If we are not going to really get Globals, what long range plane do you think we WILL get? Our Gs are getting a little long of tooth.

The owners will be on newer metal, it just won't be flown by gold ties.

 

[G4dude]

The owners will be on newer metal, it just won't be flown by gold ties.

Who will fly them? I am not good with innuendo.

 

[Sammy]

I think globals are coming to NJA. Is there any activity re globals going on at FSI CMH? They are the only large aircraft in the pipeline to replace the G's.

 

[OPECJet]

Who will fly them? I am not good with innuendo.

If scope is eroded they will end up on the EJM certificate. If scope stays remains, some will end up at NJA, but a large proportion may go to NJE if they even take delivery. Either way the airplane is nothing but a dangling carrot right now anyway.

I think the scope issue is the reason you haven't seen a mid-cabin order as well.

 

[fischman]

I hadn't thought of it that way. However, we don't have any "Guffstreams" in the pipeline, and I feel the Globals will join our fleet. I would like to fly it, but I am told I am not senior enough. Guess I will have to settle for the V.

Welcome the the fabulous world of Section 6 negotiations. (Yes. The talks haven't begun, but the "negotiations" already have). I get the sense this is your first rodeo with this. I recommend finding a copy of "Confessions of a Union Buster." it is out of print but there are still copies available on eBay. You will learn the extreme and unethical things that lawyers and managers will do to bust a union. I was literally disgusted, and sadly see the EXACT SAME THINGS happening at my company.

I will call out our management when they pull these tactics. I will report JH to the Berkshire Hathaway Ethics Hotline. I will fight for my job and CBA.

 

[fischman]

Just thought of something else. If we are not going to really get Globals, what long range plane do you think we WILL get? Our Gs are getting a little long of tooth.

I should have been more clear. I believe Globals will be delivered, but not before management uses them for their true nefarious purpose: a big, shiny, juicy, pilot furloughing, pay eroding carrot.

It's all about leverage. No union ever went into negotiations wanting a concession, but they get leveraged into the lesser of 2 evils. What is VITAL is that we don't allow ourselves to be duped into that corner. Luckily, we have some very smart people working for us who have seen this all before. It will NOT be easy for the company this time. That is why I was so upset when you posted that you voluntarily gave up your wages without a fight! If you don't want your money that's fine, but don't take money out of my pocket in the process!!!