NJ Telluride Incident

[Just Peachy]

Telluride

Heres a pic of the encore..... you can bet the crew did everything possible before the incident.

http://www.telluridenews.com/news/x392058789/Jet-has-rough-landing-into-Telluride

Note TRs are still out, which means they saw it coming but couldnt stop and kept them out.


I flew with one of our FOs last week and they had a brake lock up and the plane turned 90 degrees to the runway before it got stopped....

******************** happens .... deal with it.

 

[400A]

Heres a pic of the encore..... you can bet the crew did everything possible before the incident.

http://www.telluridenews.com/news/x392058789/Jet-has-rough-landing-into-Telluride

Note TRs are still out, which means they saw it coming but couldnt stop and kept them out.


I flew with one of our FOs last week and they had a brake lock up and the plane turned 90 degrees to the runway before it got stopped....

******************** happens .... deal with it.

Glad no one was hurt.

I am curious as to why the T/R's being out means they knew it was coming.

Not picking a fight, just curious of the logic in that statement. If I made a normal landing and my nose gear suddenly collapsed, my T/R's would be out too.

If at some point the hydraulics were compromised, he might not have had pressure to close them.

Can you bring the throttles over the cut off gate with the T/R's deployed?

 

[kf4amu]

R-E-L-A-X!!!! I'm sick of people getting their manties in a bunch anytime somebody says something that isn't positive about NJ. He wasn't even implying negativity, more of an inquiry.

Although you have to admit, its kinda sad when the media calls it a "rough landing" and someone on a pilot board calls it a "crash".

Shouldnt those positions be reversed?

 

[Just Peachy]

I am curious as to why the T/R's being out means they knew it was coming.

Ck list calls for them to be idle at 60 kts and stowed at 40kts

Not picking a fight, just curious of the logic in that statement. If I made a normal landing and my nose gear suddenly collapsed, my T/R's would be out too.

If at some point the hydraulics were compromised, he might not have had pressure to close them.

That could be a true statement with the nose gear ripped off, hydraulics could bleed out of that area. But the nose gear would only be gone a very short while before stopping. Unless it came off on initial touchdown, and then it would be somewhat longer and I would think there would be enough reserve fluid to stow them...if they wanted to. But not being a crappy cessna type engineer, dont know. You may be on to something here.

Of course the crew, in all the excitement might of forgot to stow them.... Its pretty exciting to have a nose gear come out from under you...

Normally, the TRs are held in by being overcenter and extended by hyd pressure

Can you bring the throttles over the cut off gate with the T/R's deployed?

Yes...

 

[Just Peachy]

telluride...a crappy airport for jets

MY bad... picture is at

http://www.telluridenews.com/news/x3...into-Telluride

 

[XTW]

Everyone is trying to make more out of this than needs be. It appears to be an incident, thankfully one in which no one was hurt. None of us were there and we don't know what conditions that crew were dealing with. We do know that they are a highly trained professional crew. Enough of the Monday morning quarterbacking and let the investigation let us know what went wrong.


X

 

[illinipilot]

Within the last two or three years, Cessna and NJ have lifted the requirement to stow the T/Rs at 40kts, at least for the encore. It's no longer even a required callout.

 

[CL300Pilot]

As was stated earlier, thank god no one was hurt.

 

[o2bflyn]

Within the last two or three years, Cessna and NJ have lifted the requirement to stow the T/Rs at 40kts, at least for the encore. It's no longer even a required callout.

don't really know about the encore maybe its different, but on the 500 series cessnas never really had a limitation on stowing the TR, rather the limitation was to have idle thrust with tr's deployed below 60 knots.

 

[400A]

Everyone is trying to make more out of this than needs be. It appears to be an incident, thankfully one in which no one was hurt. None of us were there and we don't know what conditions that crew were dealing with. We do know that they are a highly trained professional crew. Enough of the Monday morning quarterbacking and let the investigation let us know what went wrong.


X

Easy Big Fella, you seem to be the one over reacting. Not one person has "Monday morning Quarterbacked" Not one person has been negative towards the crew or blamed them for anything.

I do not know about anyone else, but I review these things to learn. Not to sell out a crew. Citations are known to have a weak nose gear. Any Aircraft could have a hydraulic problem. The more we learn about other incidents, the more we know what to look for ourselves.

 

[doh]

At least they won't be able to blame this one on pilot error! ...contributing factor that the F/O failed to get out and run along side the aircraft and hold the nose of the ground. Glad they walked away, and you can bet your sweet --- that they did all they could!:beer: It actually looks repairable.

 

[say again]

Although you have to admit, its kinda sad when the media calls it a "rough landing" and someone on a pilot board calls it a "crash".

Shouldnt those positions be reversed?

Very true, but still no need to get all hysterical on the guy.

 

[skiandsurf]

Line guys said no one was hurt. But right after it happened there seemed to be a serious effort to put a lid on the accident and not let any information out

Most everyone wants to keep these incidents or accidents out of the news. I remember seeing the FedEx DC10, that crashed and burned at MEM. They went out there and painted over the FED EX name. Still obvious whose plane it was.

And NJs at Telluride. I read that the nose wheel collapsed, but also heard that winds were not favorable. Was that a factor? I dont know.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

At least they won't be able to blame this one on pilot error! ...contributing factor that the F/O failed to get out and run along side the aircraft and hold the nose of the ground. Glad they walked away, and you can bet your sweet --- that they did all they could!:beer: It actually looks repairable.

I know of an incident where the pilots porpoised on landing so hard they broke the nose gear.

Anything is repairable. How much do you want to spend.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

They porpoised a CII.