News reporting FAA raises age to 65

[Andy]

Yes, I agree, he needs Sanka.

However, unless someone directly insults you (which I didn't until he started slinging mud), you have absolutely ZERO right to start insulting people's families.

Classless, and truly uncalled for.

If you can't debate using the facts, don't bother, you can't convince anyone on emotional rants alone.

You stated that your dad made a mistake by dumping all of his savings in speculative investments just prior to his retirement. I merely confirmed that he's an idiot. It's EXACTLY that kind of person (your father) who pushes for a change to the retirement age because he's a financial idiot. Yes, I have heartburn with people that stupid.
By the way, your response to my PM was totally weasely. If you want to be insulted by me in person you need to pick a date. I've already given you the place.

 

[Jim Smyth]

Don't know what department of the FAA your friend works in, but MY friend is in the medical dept, and he tells me that they are seriously talking about relaxing the length of time between physicals. A 1st class would be good for one year if this happens.

He also says that there would NOT be any change in the medical standards as they stand today. He says they already have plenty of data from over age 60 pilots who do other kinds of flying. ( Corporate, cropdusting, CFI's etc.) And adding to the discussion...the ICAO pilots now flying in U.S. airspace day in and day out.

Tejas

Great news! The every 6 month medical was a joke and a waste of time anyway! Once a year should be more than plenty!

 

[Flopgut]

There are a bunch of older airline pilots out running in my neighborhood. One guy had a walkman the size of a shoebox on and multiple sweatbands on all limbs. Another had a pair of "cheap hotel" sweatpants on and looked like he should of had an ambulance following him.

They'll all have for sale signs in their yards this week and new trucks in the driveways. Bubbas with new money, it would be funny if no one were furloughed.

 

[Lear70]

By the way, your response to my PM was totally weasely. If you want to be insulted by me in person you need to pick a date. I've already given you the place.

MY response was weasely?

Pot... meet kettle.

Your response: "Pick a WEEKEND for YOU to come up HERE to D.C. Oh, by the way, I'm going to be gone to Europe for the next several weeks."


I'm here in Nashville every weekend, buddy. Unlike YOU, I'm not running away to Europe for an indeterminate period of time.

Every weekend, all month long. Try not to pick Superbowl Sunday; it would suck if I had to go to jail for a couple hours on a simple assault charge 'cause your mouth got out of hand again and I missed the game.

Guys like you DESERVE to be on furlough... it's a mystery how you ever got hired with that attitude in the first place.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Capt Jim Smyth,

You must be about 55 judging by your excitement, but hows your buddy PE doing? He wont even be around for the first round of implementation, but you on the other hand will probably get to retire at 61.

 

[yaks]

Lear70,

Please shut-up already.

 

[Lear70]

Lear70,

Please shut-up already.

ME?

Let me get this straight: HE goes on the attack, and you tell ME to shut up?

I think you can kindly kiss my a*s, too.

 

[The Prussian]

Jim will easily make it to 65, and you other two(or 3) guys need to cool it.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Jim wont because of the implementation timeframe.

 

[The Prussian]

My statement stands...as is.

 

[Longhorn]

Guys, a few here are really close to getting a few days if not weeks off in the box. No more personal attacks, name calling or for gods sake, acting like you are in high school to call someone out. If it continues I will not hesitate to kick you off the boards for a while so that you can cool down.

Get the thread back on track.

 

[deemee boosgkee]

2000 rolls around and the airlines are starting to hurt a little. 9-11 happens and bam the airlines are really in trouble. Big losses, bankruptcy and then they kill the defined benefit pensions (all while management keeps theirs).

Pardon my ignorance but why in they're right mind would any pilot group agree to take a paycut or give up a pension if management doesn't agree to give up the same inch for inch? Surely, they could have taken a hard line on this and made it up to management to truly cut costs the same amount!!

When this was all taking place why didn't ALPA, APA, etc GO TO WAR and mount an all out media and PR campaign, O'Reilly style, to expose managements greed in regard to them not taking an equal cut?? Sure, the public probably thinks that pilots are overpaid but that surely would be overshadowed by how greedy management is and how much more they make for sinking these airlines by they're utter incompetence.


So why did all the respective unions in they're right mind agree to give up anything WITHOUT MANAGEMANT DOING THE SAME???

 

[Flybynite]

Lear70, your dad's a friggin' idiot. And when he loses everything in another high risk 'investment' at 64 1/2, I guess that we should raise the age limit again, eh?
He deserves to live in a van down by the river.

You've really proven yourself to be a class act. You tried to pass yourself off as some kind of expert with lots of inside information. You promised your disciples that change would never happen and you were wrong. So with nothing left you show your true colors. So to paraphrase one of your previous posts: Andy meet door, as it slams in your face for another 5 years.

 

[SlipItIn]

You've really proven yourself to be a class act. You tried to pass yourself off as some kind of expert with lots of inside information. You promised your disciples that change would never happen and you were wrong. So with nothing left you show your true colors. So to paraphrase one of your previous posts: Andy meet door, as it slams in your face for another 5 years.

Andy called the NPRM before anybody else--and he is a class act. And it is painfully obvious the apple did not fall far from the tree with Lear70 so what is the harm in Andy calling a spade a spade?

The irony here is that the biggest obstacle to any actual implementation of a change to the age 60 rule is the huge run of lawsuits by the same money-grabbing gummers who have no life outside of aviation who pushed for the change in the first place. I hope they make it such a litigious mess that it takes even longer to make any change in the rule.

Our profession just took another potential huge step backwards today, I am surprised so many are happy with what is becoming left of it.

 

[Flopgut]

I don't like the arguement, per say, but I sure don't like this piling on Andy BS. The guy is furloughed. In a normal venue this would have gone his way. This is "airline world" however, and his efforts and talents are meaningless because it's only about seniority. You treacherous miscreants who are lucky enough to have a little seniority better be glad it's that way. In the real world a guy like ANDY goes by you like your tied to a post.

The way this change is shaping up now is no better than when it was put in place. Fact is, it's much worse.

 

[Lear70]

Andy called the NPRM before anybody else--and he is a class act.

A class act?

mmmmkay. What you said.

And it is painfully obvious the apple did not fall far from the tree with Lear70 so what is the harm in Andy calling a spade a spade?

I hope not. He's been a great roll model on how to raise a kid as a single parent AND still follow your dream of flying.

He got bad investment advice. Thought he had his pension as his main backup. Turns out he didn't. Happened to a lot of good people.

The fact that I can recognize that both for him and other people who were similarly hurt without resorting to insults is where the delineating line is.

Just a thought, but you might reclassify your definition of "a class act".

Best of luck to you...

 

[Flybynite]

Nobody gets a free pass because of a furlough. He's not the first, nor will he be the last.

You treacherous miscreants who are lucky enough to have a little seniority better be glad it's that way. In the real world a guy like ANDY goes by you like your tied to a post.

Maybe doing a powerpoint presentation, but not in the commercial world, I have more than one year 121 experience. Sorry, I forgot, experience doesn't count for anything.

 

[SlipItIn]

A class act?

mmmmkay. What you said.


I hope not. He's been a great roll model on how to raise a kid as a single parent AND still follow your dream of flying.

He got bad investment advice. Thought he had his pension as his main backup. Turns out he didn't. Happened to a lot of good people.

The fact that I can recognize that both for him and other people who were similarly hurt without resorting to insults is where the delineating line is.

Just a thought, but you might reclassify your definition of "a class act".

Best of luck to you...

OK. I am sorry--you are right. Your father is not an idiot, he is actually an investment genius. I for one am glad to degrade the profession to make up for a little bad luck by your old man. Who could blame him for throwing the whole enchilada away at the very end? Think of what might of happened... Don't hate the playa, hate the game!

Thankfully my father is not so financially savvy. He is actually a 61 year old multi-millionaire who enjoys his retirement and grandchildren. Too bad for him.

Good luck to you too. And I think it is "role" model, not "roll" model.

 

[Lear70]

You right, missa spellin' police. Getsta typing so fast I miss my words. My bad.

Yeah, I got the sarcasm, and it ain't no thing, and I didn't say my Dad was perfect, just didn't appreciate someone busting on him so harsh for something some creep in a suit behind a cubicle in some brokerage firm talked him into.

I'm kinda protective of my family in that way, and I gets my hackles up quick Yo ATL style.

Sorry if I came across all hatin and ready to whoop sum...

 

[SlipItIn]

You right, missa spellin' police. Getsta typing so fast I miss my words. My bad.

Yeah, I got the sarcasm, and it ain't no thing, and I didn't say my Dad was perfect, just didn't appreciate someone busting on him so harsh for something some creep in a suit behind a cubicle in some brokerage firm talked him into.

I'm kinda protective of my family in that way, and I gets my hackles up quick Yo ATL style.

Sorry if I came across all hatin and ready to whoop sum...

Dude, are you making fun of black people?