News reporting FAA raises age to 65

[100 c.i.]

took my First class FAA physical yesterday, my doc is some sort of liason for my area. NO CHANGE to physicals if they change the age.........

I talked to a friend thats been with the FAA for years yesterday about the issue, and indicated that a major change WILL be implemented to the age 55 plus medicals. He himself is 56 years old and does not think he will be able to hold a 1st class. Ill be the first to buy a pack of smokes or a supersize value meal for all the 55 plus captains I fly with..........

 

[jonjuan]

I talked to a friend thats been with the FAA for years yesterday about the issue, and indicated that a major change WILL be implemented to the age 55 plus medicals. He himself is 56 years old and does not think he will be able to hold a 1st class. Ill be the first to buy a pack of smokes or a supersize value meal for all the 55 plus captains I fly with..........

If that's true than those failing the post 55 medical should offset any pilots who make it past 60. If an even larger number fail the post 55 medical, upgrade will be even quicker than it is now with the age 60 rule intact.

 

[100 c.i.]

If that's true than those failing the post 55 medical should offset any pilots who make it past 60. If an even larger number fail the post 55 medical, upgrade will be even quicker than it is now with the age 60 rule intact.

TRUEEEEEEEE!

 

[Andy]

I talked to a friend thats been with the FAA for years yesterday about the issue, and indicated that a major change WILL be implemented to the age 55 plus medicals. He himself is 56 years old and does not think he will be able to hold a 1st class. Ill be the first to buy a pack of smokes or a supersize value meal for all the 55 plus captains I fly with..........

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Most other nations have much stricter medical standards. Here's Japan's:
Uncorrected near vision maximum of 20/60, uncorrected distance vision maximum 20/80, corrected vision 20/20 (20/15 preferred), Cholesterol under 200, Height/Weight: BMI (body mass index) of 27 or less (kgs./cms./cms.= BMI).

The BMI alone will knock off quite a few, not to mention uncorrected vision and cholesterol.

I suppose that this will have the effect of forcing many left seaters into the right seat starting at 55. That is, assuming that the class 2 won't also be more restrictive.

Pandora's Box is being opened.

 

[Charlie Brown]

If you guys actually come to blows in a face-to-face meeting, I think we should have a PPV webcast of it. It could be fund raiser for FI. Oh yeah-my Dad could beat up your dad.

 

[Dizel8]

Washington Headquarters Press Release

For Immediate Release

Release No. AOC 03-07
January 30, 2007
Contact: Alison Duquette
Phone: (202) 267-3883
FAA to Propose Pilot Retirement Age Change

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Marion C. Blakey today announced that the FAA will propose to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. commercial pilots from 60 to 65. Speaking before pilots and aviation experts at the National Press Club, Blakey said that the agency plans to propose adopting the new International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standard that allows one pilot to be up to age 65 provided the other pilot is under age 60.
The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Blakey. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 60 without compromising safety.”
On September 27, 2006, Administrator Blakey established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 60 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60.
The November 29, 2006 Age 60 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at http://dms.dot.gov, docket number 26139.

 

[Huck]

Randy Babbitt would have been on Today, GMA and CBS' early show this morning....

 

[gutshotdraw]

Hey Andy,

Forgive me if, for a short moment, I say "I told you so." Like I said in a previous post, it's a snowball rolling down hill picking up attention in all quarters especially the media. I think we can all agree that the NPRM is a done deal. There are a few things left to be decided and, as always, the devil is in the details:

1. Will there be legislative cover for all parties (FAA, the airlines, the unions) from litigation?

2. Will there be a concurrent change (more testing to higher standards) in medical certification requirements in Part 61?

3. Will it be a phased implementation or immediate?

4. Will there be a concurrent change requiring retirement from ALL commercial flying (Corporate 91, 91K, 135) at the same 121 retirement age?

5. Three or four more items that are important to some but not on my radar.

I understand both sides of this argument and respect both. I am fortunate in that my decidedly better half has pulled the plug on her major airline career and will largely avoid the heartache this change will cause. My career may be affected if item 4 listed above is part of the deal. Nontheless, I think we had all better get used to the idea that this change is coming and coming soon and plan accordingly. Good luck.

 

[Andy]

Oh yeah-my Dad could beat up your dad.

I should hope so. My dad's taking a dirt nap.

 

[Freight Dog]

Here's a novel idea if this thing actually comes to pass: Conduct a vote of all pilots at your airline on this issue. If the majority want the retirement age to stay at 60, then get your contract amended to reflect that. If most want 65, then go with it. Heck, AA management (CR Smith) was the one that gave us age 60 in the first place, so I wouldn't think most mgmts would really care if the pilots want age 60 to stay....gets the senior dudes off their payroll sooner.

Please tell me you're kidding.

If you're not... to quote Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction:

"What country you from???"

 

[Andy]

Hey Andy,

Forgive me if, for a short moment, I say "I told you so." Like I said in a previous post, it's a snowball rolling down hill picking up attention in all quarters especially the media. I think we can all agree that the NPRM is a done deal.

Yep, you're right. I hadn't anticipated Blakey announcing a NPRM until a couple of weeks ago. I think that I posted my err at that time on this board.
I figured that there was no way that Blakey and the FAA would make this change without direction from the judicial or legislative branch.
When I first heard about the NPRM, it made sense, since she's stepping down ~Sep 07. This way, she drops the NPRM and leaves it to the next administrator to implement. Allows both the old and new administrator an opportunity to 'blame' the other.
Yes, the NPRM is likely a done deal.

As to your questions, I'd say that 1 & 2 are likely yes. 3 - I don't know. 4 likely yes.

 

[Dizel8]

Let the fun begin, here is one poster opinion from the FAA site:

"Bring the FAA and The Department of Transportation into agreement with the ICAO world standard retroactively to 23 November 2006. If not, state reasons why your offices differ on safety interpretation. My suggestion-- give U.S. airline pilots their rightful jobs back as of 23 Nov 2006, because they are amongst the safest pilots in the world!"

Regardless of what the NPRM says, I smell age discrimination lawsuits coming from those forced to retire at age 60.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Guts,

Is your better half a former redtail? and for privacy reasons only last intials either H or G? If so tell them congrats.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I talked to a friend thats been with the FAA for years yesterday about the issue, and indicated that a major change WILL be implemented to the age 55 plus medicals.

Don't know what department of the FAA your friend works in, but MY friend is in the medical dept, and he tells me that they are seriously talking about relaxing the length of time between physicals. A 1st class would be good for one year if this happens.

He also says that there would NOT be any change in the medical standards as they stand today. He says they already have plenty of data from over age 60 pilots who do other kinds of flying. ( Corporate, cropdusting, CFI's etc.) And adding to the discussion...the ICAO pilots now flying in U.S. airspace day in and day out.

Tejas

 

[scoreboard]

I talked to a friend thats been with the FAA for years yesterday about the issue, and indicated that a major change WILL be implemented to the age 55 plus medicals. He himself is 56 years old and does not think he will be able to hold a 1st class. Ill be the first to buy a pack of smokes or a supersize value meal for all the 55 plus captains I fly with..........

Excellent, even more years on the LOL bandwagon... Nobodys going to be able to afford that again.

 

[Lear70]

I should hope so. My dad's taking a dirt nap.

Then I would think you'd have more respect (and class) than to come out and open bash someone's family on a public board.

Just because YOU don't like the pending legislation doesn't give you the right to go on a public rampage. Poor little baby, getting his wheaties pissed on, so he lashes out at the world.

Most juvenile thing I've seen in a while...

Give me a second, you arrogant little pr*ck, and let me clear out my PM box.

 

[regionaltard]

"What country you from???"

What?

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Then I would think you'd have more respect (and class) than to come out and open bash someone's family on a public board.

Just because YOU don't like the pending legislation doesn't give you the right to go on a public rampage. Poor little baby, getting his wheaties pissed on, so he lashes out at the world.

Most juvenile thing I've seen in a while...

Give me a second, you arrogant little pr*ck, and let me clear out my PM box.

It most certainly DOES give him the right to go on a public rampage.

One word....decaf.

 

[Lear70]

It most certainly DOES give him the right to go on a public rampage.

One word....decaf.

Yes, I agree, he needs Sanka.

However, unless someone directly insults you (which I didn't until he started slinging mud), you have absolutely ZERO right to start insulting people's families.

Classless, and truly uncalled for.

If you can't debate using the facts, don't bother, you can't convince anyone on emotional rants alone.

 

[FlyWolf]

What a great news for Midwest F/O's, according to my calculations I should see a left seat right around age 63.4