Newhire CAL Pilots

[Patriot328]

No one really ever mentions CLE... is it junior or senior, just curious.

What's CLE?

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

My wife and two young kids and I are all living with my inlaws. It's not fun. I just hit my six month mark and got health insurance. Myself, wife, and daughter were on the $1000 deductible short term insurance for around $305/month and my son was on Cobra for $232/month because of a pre-existing condition the short term plan wouldn't cover. So from $537/mo we are now down to $124/month with Continental's health plan. That's like a $400 pay raise.

Like everyone said, the pay extremely sucks. I took a $50,000 pay cut but made the decision to come here knowing I have 27 years left in the industry. In six months I should be almost back to what I was making before. Until then it sucks and we will survive. We saved up a bit last year so we have a small cushion but we only get by by living with the inlaws. I've met only one other CAL newhire that has kids and a wife that stays at home. He does it by taking out a huge home equity loan to live off. Everyone else can seem to only do it by having the wife work, not having kids, being single, and/or having the guard.

Check out AirlinePilotPay.com. It'll show that most of the other airlines have crappy first year pay, Southwest and Fedex excluded. But other than these two CAL is the only one hiring. The one thing I vow to do is to push hard for CALALPA in the next and all future contracts to provide a livable wage to first year pilots. Even $40/hr and medical from day one is just a starting point.

 

[Patriot328]

The one thing I vow to do is to push hard for CALALPA in the next and all future contracts to provide a livable wage to first year pilots. Even $40/hr and medical from day one is just a starting point.

AMEN.


FWIW, 15-20K in 1983 was more than 30K in 2005 (let alone 2006 with increased gas prices)

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

There are also some very substandard work rules in the contract. I'm talking about work rules that you wouldn't even see at a commuter airline.

Tell us more...

 

[Patriot328]

Tell us more...

Junior manning? WTF?

Movable days off? WTF? If you're off, you are OFF

Getting called early on an overnight and having to come in before show time? WTF?

Block in past 1am going into an off day.. you don't get a comp day off with pay? WTF?

No Ins for 6mos? WTF?

24 hrs off in 7 days can count as rest? No calander day off in base? (That's not a WTF if you want to stack your work days in a row, but it can be abused)

What's up with min duty free time in base... it's short... (shorter than where I worked before)..


FBJ, I'm not saying CAL isn't a better place to work for long term (it is better than any regional), but I will tell you that there are some things in the contract that are horrible from a QOL aspect and I was surprised to learn that my old regional airline contract was superior in many ways.

I will also say that I've experienced nearly zero of the above, but some of my cohorts on the 737 haven't been as lucky.

 

[bearcat]

Oh man.... not paying dues. If you don't think civilian guys pay their dues your A-10 Helmet must be on too tight. We don't get the Mil leave option, pay, pension or the rest of it. But from the tone of your post, you think you're a notch above everyone else, so I doubt you pay attention to what's going on around you anyway. I seriously doubt there are too many people actually being offered a job at a major and turning it down because of first year pay. All hail the great and wise Bearcat.

I'm sorry that you have a small penis!

 

[LJDRVR]

Oh man.... not paying dues. If you don't think civilian guys pay their dues your A-10 Helmet must be on too tight. We don't get the Mil leave option, pay, pension or the rest of it. But from the tone of your post, you think you're a notch above everyone else, so I doubt you pay attention to what's going on around you anyway. I seriously doubt there are too many people actually being offered a job at a major and turning it down because of first year pay. All hail the great and wise Bearcat.

Where did he claim to be a notch above everybody else? Where did he say civilian guys doidn't pay their dues? What's with the axe to grind?

The reason you don't get MIL Leave or a retirement benefit is that you chose not to serve. Those who volunteer to risk their lives for the rest of us get compensated to do it. FedEx even pays the difference if you're going to lose money on you drill wekend. That's how it should be. Nobody was stopping you from joining up.

Sorry Bro, but you're the one who comes across with an attitude.

 

[MJG]

CLE is I think fairly senior I believe. Don't think any new hires are getting CLE out of training but seems that those that want to get to CLE can do so within about a year or so. All 737 base, no other options.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I'm in a slightly different situation since I'm single with no kids. However, I did find a few ways to maximize cash flow. First, was to boost the number of allowances on my W-4 so that no Federal or State taxes are withheld. I started at the end of April and my RJ Captain salary for the first 4 months of the year was enough to have more than enough taken out for Federal and State to cover my whole 2006 worth of taxes. And then I dropped my 401k deduction to 0. And of course, no union dues and no health insurance deduction for the first 6 months. So all that is taken out is FICA/Medicare/NJ SDI, etc. Bottomline is that about 10% of my pay check is now deducted for that stuff so I am taking home 90% of the gross as well as any tax-free per diem. All in I am netting roughly $3000 per month flying about 95 hours per month (that is on reserve). Not great but pays the mortgage and my bills. I had a nice nest egg built up going in but it looks like if I keep this up I won't dip into the red at all.

As for health insurance, I just purchased a 6 month short term plan with a high deductible for about $500 total.

-Neal

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Let me bring a slightly different perspective to this thread.

Having not had the vision req for military aviation, and bad timing for the regionals, I took the corporate and 135 route. In doing this, I have:

1) Flown with some of the most dangerous pilots this business has to offer. I probably have more honest answers for the "Tell me about a time..." question than you would even believe. And that would be just counting the times in my first year.
2) Overnighted in hotels that make airline low standard hotels look like Buckingham Palace.
3) Had no choice but to eat fast food or vending for breakfast, lunch AND dinner on way too many days.
4) Been threatened with unemployment if I did not fly over duty.
5) Been threratened with unemployment if I did not take an airplane that needed to be grounded for MX.
6) Worked over 25 days in one month.

I have so much more where that came from. All that being said, I am pretty darn sure I have paid my dues.

But still...

If CO calls tomorrow and wants me to show up for an interview, am I going to go? Better believe it.

If CO offers me a job, am I going to take it? In a heartbeat.

Should the first year be a better deal? Absolutely.

But IMHO, if CO were to raise the first year standards up alot, they should also raise their firm hiring minimums, as well.

Just a different perspective, please nobody get your shorts in a wad. I never said regionals wasn't paying dues. And military service goes without saying.